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Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It's obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is "better" or more "long-term viable" or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it's all one happy family.

That said, it's notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the "Reddit-like fedi instance" game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That mstdn.social and the whole "lemmy = tankie" (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I did not say "lemmy = tankie", I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).

Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the "unreddit" movement now, but I'd wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I can understand where mstdn.social is coming from and it is an "uneasy" situation. But the fact is that you have a choice here in which with whom you communicate.

The irony though of Reddit discussing to stay on Reddit and actually comply with the Autocratic leadership it has.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Great news to me I'm not "pro-lemmy", I am "anti-reddit".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't really care. I'm on Lemmy but fuck it, as long as it gets people off Reddit, competition can be a good thing in this space.

Metallica and Megadeth are historically successful bands, but Metallica would have never made it if Mustaine stayed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As I understand both make the greater platform bigger, more Kbin users means more Lemmy content as well.

Imagine competition being mutually beneficial!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

instances of both federate with one another

At least for me, I cannot access most kbin magazines from Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Try magazines from https://fedia.io, which is also a Kbin instance. The "main" Kbin instance, kbin.social, currently does not federate due to the load.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Good to know, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's going to be a glorious moment when lemmy and kbin can fully see each other's posts!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Looks like this post didn't age very well

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can someone explain the "tankie" baggage? I've seen it thrown around quite a bit but no one seems to explain it in detail.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

(Some) Lemmy devs seem to have political ideologies that are within the "tankie" settings. That's mostly it. Some people express they feel uncomfortable about it. Such devs hold an instance separate from the flagship instance (lemmygrad.ml), which in my opinion is not bad at all, I think it's better they keep them to themselves giving an option to other instances to block it. They're not trying to shove tankies ideas down anyones throats through the softwate or anything. Though this has leaked to the flagship instance sometimes as shown by this post

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.

So even if it did succeed, it won't be for long.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let’s not hate on tools. Php has its uses and has been proven to be useful in commercial applications. So has Rust. They are different but the choice of programming language means nothing for the core project.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I, too, can use a banana to hammer in a nail

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure there's some php still around at Facebook, but I doubt any new php projects have been started in 10+ years at any of those organizations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You'd be surprised. Modern PHP with Laravel can actually be quite nice to work with.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah, I generally prefer kbin's UI over lemmy's but given the backend is in PHP I have concerns that it might not be able to scale effectively with its growth.

Not saying that PHP is a complete showstopper but there are valid concerns in terms of maintainability...

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn't have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is actually more like a return to the 90s of Usenet and mailing lists imho.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe its just Nostalgia, but ill take that. Where you actually go to a place that has something to do with what your looking for, rather then a giant, centralized site where random people pop in, talk crap, and pop out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmm, interesting. I just spent some time getting a Lemmy instance set up -- maybe I should've gone for kbin instead?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think you need to worry about it. It's up to a given community whether or not that baggage affects it or not, I think. Building communities that are very explicitly not tankie is a great way of helping overcome that baggage for the whole project.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

i think you can engage and interact across both so it may not matter as much.

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