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OC Transpo can no longer provide an estimate for when its light rail system will return to service, the transit agency says (www.cbc.ca)
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Sigh.

Why does it seem as though admission that they don’t know when the LRT will run again is actually the first glimmer of a hope for resolution?

Even if the price tag will be staggering…

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if at any point someone will just give up admit it was fucked from the moment they decided to keep the wrong type of train for the service they should be running, and just buy the correct type of train. A proper metro train like every other other city trying to run a mass transit line with high frequency. Ideally something with radial seating, digital signage and wayfinding. Some stations in Japan even have info above where the doors will be in the station showing how full each car is.

We'd need to rebuild all the current stations to be high platforms, and finish the under construction stations to also be high floor. It's a lot of money sure, but no one will care in 50 years, they will just be thankful to have an amazing metro connecting the entire city. The Shinkansen went 2 times over it's inital budget, but no one gives a crap now a days, they're just happy to have it.

We're the capital of Canada, we need and deserve better than this shitty system.

Oh, and add platform screen doors to all the above ground stations, partly for safely, partly for weather, make a huge different to quality of the service.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Our emphasis on selecting the lowest bidder for procurement is a serious issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A saying I use all the time is, "If you think a professional is expensive, just wait until you hire an amateur."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except the costs for stage 1 and 2 per kilometre are the second lowest of all Canadian transit projects, adjust for inflation (REM is 1st, but they got more ROW for free). We could have built a heavy rail system, but it's not like anything is irredeemable with it as it is. The costs of running R1 service are a drop in the bucket when you look at what MTL and Toronto are paying for their new builds vs what we pay for ours.

You can call it unreliable. You can call it dinky. But good luck trying to call it expensive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/6_bSx4eqtdE

Yes, you're 100% in it being cheap.

I think I should have been more clear, it was cheap to build, but now look at it. Not just from it needing to be repaired, but peopels time is wasted, more busses need drivers and diesel fuel, how many man hours were spent investigating the solution, testing, and implementing. There's many downstream effects of it being cheaper initially that can be hard to see or measure.

But yes, it was cheap to build, especially the eastern extension which is a good thing, transit projects in NA are WAY too expensive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of those man-hours are paid for by RTG et. al, not on taxpayer dime. Lost productivity is harder to quantify, but both that and the diesel and bus operator hours are drops in the bucket compared to the transitway days. It is easy to find pictures of the bumper to bumper bus pileups on Albert and Slater.

I may remind you that the city paid an unprecedented amount of this project out of pocket. Doing it right (Automated light metro, like the SkyTrain or REM) wasn't an option, especially for a project with as tenuous support as the LRT had.

It's easy to criticize, but in many ways, Watson had no other choice than to stay the course, at least if he wanted the project to go ahead and to stay in office. As imperfect and inept as he was, he had a vision for the city, not something that can be said of many Ottawa mayors.

Fun fact: As it is now, zero major changes would be needed to run the trains at GoA4 (full automation with no driver onboard), just changing the settings on the onboard computer (VOBC).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The Ottawan has been calling it the NO Train for the past 11 days.