Could someone explain what happened to me like im 5 please?
this post was submitted on 02 Feb 2024
222 points (99.6% liked)
Open Source
30349 readers
2405 users here now
All about open source! Feel free to ask questions, and share news, and interesting stuff!
Useful Links
- Open Source Initiative
- Free Software Foundation
- Electronic Frontier Foundation
- Software Freedom Conservancy
- It's FOSS
- Android FOSS Apps Megathread
Rules
- Posts must be relevant to the open source ideology
- No NSFW content
- No hate speech, bigotry, etc
Related Communities
Community icon from opensource.org, but we are not affiliated with them.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
This time last year OSI recommended that the CRA:
…exclude all activities prior to commercial deployment of the software and … clearly ensure that responsibility for CE marks does not rest with any actor who is not a direct commercial beneficiary of deployment.
That recommendation has been accepted and implemented, and the OSI is very grateful to the various experts who took the time to listen.
My ELI5 version is: The European government were making a rule where software makers can be punished for not following European standards and need a special mark of compliance. Open source organizations argued that the standards shouldn't be held against any group until a software is sold, and volunteer/non-profit groups shouldn't have to follow the standard. The Parliament listened and implemented this change to the draft rule.
Thats both awesome news and a great explanation. Thanks a lot!
Thanks, I now get it! 😊
What happens if you accept donations for maintaining a project?
Good question. I don't know the specifics but, that's probably where the nuances of "commercial beneficiary of deployment" come into play and beyond the scope of my 5 year-old level explanation. I'd say probably not if it's optional donations.
The EU regulators have many flaws but news like this gives me some hope
Agree. On some other projects like Gaia-X they still seem to keep screwing things up.
Engaging with your elected representatives matters. Voting matters. Keep it up (and your other political activity outside of voting/writing, too)!
clearly ensure that responsibility for CE marks does not rest with any actor who is not a direct commercial beneficiary of deployment
Does that apply to open source hardware? Like, can I make a crane that absolutely kills people due to mechanical errors in the design (unintentional) or a space heater that catches fire or a e-Bike that explodes someone's nuts off and be ok?
If you are making a crane, I find it hard to believe you would give the crane itself away for free, since you have to recoup your costs. So that point you are selling cranes and engaging in commerce, so they have jurisdiction to regulate you.
If you make and publish designs for a crane, or you speculate on how cranes ought to be built, it's your right to free speech. Think about it, even an engineering textbook must describe how to design an unsafe bridge to teach you how to build a safe one. It will show you examples of famous collapsed bridges, perhaps with full blueprints and design instructions.
I'm talking about designs. Like full CAD and step-by-step documentation.
So someone else follows your designs, builds the thing, and dies. The reason tbey died is objectively due to a design flaw, not a mistske in building to spec. Does the EU make you legally liable?
EU don't, but you need to make sure about the country in which you operated the crane as each EU country has its own laws and EU directives are not laws.
I doubt you can be held responsible in such a case unless you are a civil engineer enabled to publish such designs and you did so by stating that those designs are in fact good to go.
If I build my own crane and die or, worse, kill somebody operating it I am the only one responsible even if my uncle told me how to do so.
Is this Antwerp?