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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I take it one further and bring in a cart from between spaces, someone is finishing using packing away groceries, or already in the station and bring it back into the store to use. And as a single person struggling with the increasing cost of groceries, trying to keep my weekly trips under 80$. I can carry out everything I get by hand, leaving the cart in the store.

Returning the cart to the station is like bare minimum and still many people can't even do that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (11 children)

It's surprising to me US carts don't have to be unlocked by a coin (which you get back when you lock your cart again), it's like that in every supermarket I know in France and Germany and probably many other European countries.

You can misbehave but it costs you a little bit, and if you do someone has the opportunity to make a buck off you by cleaning after you.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Where I am people do not trust people and shopping carts are coin operated.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This should be a do-or-die grade in the finals, globally. And don't let anyone know when or where they'll be evaluated and graded, make'em think the Civics teacher/professor will stalk them around town, putting together their resupply patterns, and grading their mall etiquette. That'll put the fear o'God in'em!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

I think the theory goes too far, tbh. If we're being a little bit realistic, a difference between animals and members of human society is that animals cannot and do not obey laws. Higher order animals obey direct threats of punishment, such as if you've trained them not to shit on the floor, but that's not the same as law. With a law, you are aware of the consequences without having directly experienced them.

An animal only respects consequences after directly experiencing them.

I am willing to accept into society those who obey (just) laws without directly experiencing the consequences. They ARE better than animals, they are not savages, they are not bad members of society. They are doing the bare minimum necessary to belong to society; indeed, their existence is the reason we form societies at all. You might not want to be friends with them but they aren't animals.

While the conclusion of this post goes to far, I do think it nails it right in the first sentence: if you return the cart, if you do what is correct without need for a law, then you are capable of being self-governing. You would make a good anarchist, for example, because your social group would function well without laws.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (12 children)

What if returning the carts is my usual practice, but there was a time crunch one time and I needed to save myself the extra 30 seconds?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

If you are in such a hurry you don't even have 30 seconds, you shouldn't be shopping in the first place, especially if you buy enough to fill a cart.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Believe it or not, jail!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unless you get a phone call just after unloading your shit into your car what sort of emergency allows you to shop but still demands literally no second be spared?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I suppose if it was dire you save those 30s, it's acceptable.

But you would not be immune to being judged by a third party. They wouldn't know the situation is dire unless explaining it, which would take at least a few seconds.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

The post specifies an exemption for dire emergencies. It would need to be pretty dire for 30s to make a meaningful difference.

Otherwise, by the metric here, you're a bad person whenever you're in a moderate hurry.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I prefer the Gom Jabbar but the Shopping Cart seems like a viable alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

prints this image out a million times and attaches it to every shopping cart I can find

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I disagree with returning the shopping cart being an act of free will. There is a lot of societal pressure to do it for some people, or to not do it for some other people. And there is always the risk that someone who you know will walk see you not returning, and tell all your friends about it. Or want if your boss happens to see you? What would happen then?

So yeah, better quickly return it. Better than having to deal with all these unknowns.

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