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[–] 98 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That'll be $400 for the privilege...

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago

    It also has built in ads

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I feel like a mother that says: “I’m not mad, just disappointed…”

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    Microsoft these last few months really has shown that Apple is better about privacy than they are (not that they’re amazing). It just doesn’t even compare anymore though. M$ is injecting tracking and advertising into literally everything now and selling to 3rd partied with impunity. It’s absurd.

    Let me be clear that Apple is also not your friend. But when we are taking a birds eye view of all computer users, we have to think about the floor. And the floor at Microsoft is ridiculously low right now.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Problem with apple is they only support their computers. For an os you can slap onto anything you should compare windows to linux. However the linux users proportion isn't that big to give an accurate comparison.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    problem with Apple is the only support their computers

    I mean, that’s a legitimate complaint, but I’m not really sure how that is germane when critiquing how Microsoft is treating their own products since the whole point is Apple doesn’t do that with their own products to the same degree. That’s my point of comparison here.

    Big fan of Linux in general, and I am in the process of trying to convert over to it. I will need to have a Mac in my life for the foreseeable future because I am a professional editor, but beyond that I think I can make the leap to Linux as my daily driver.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    What does Apple do with our data?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    A lot of it is internal usage which is (usually) reasonable. And there isn’t anything as expansive as what we see Microsoft doing as far as I can tell. But given their size and reach I would say it’s safe to assume there is something(s) going on with our data we probably object to. They do overall seem more committed to privacy on their machines.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Gotta point out, that hasn't been the Microsoft logo since Win7.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    *leans hard on cane:

    Ya got a problem with crusty old memes, kid?

    The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    At least it's recognizable. Windows 12 will probably be just a single blue square.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    "It's a single pane window. A single pane of glass. It symbolizes the synergy between man and machine. Window 12 offers an enhanced user experience with greater simplicity and clarity. Also, we've revamped our mobile and iOT OS lines which we're calling 'Porthole 12' and 'Peephole 12' respectively." -Microsoft, Probably

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you really want to be pedantic.. that's not even the Microsoft logo to begin with. Microsoft didn't use the Windows logo for their own company logo, at least during that time period.

    Oh, and that's Windows Vista's logo anyway.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sorry, I think the last Windows I had installed anywhere was XP. I was like "which windows logo is that? should I look it up?" but then I was like "nah, fuck it".

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's a lot of options out there for alternate mail apps, but what I really need is a decent calendar app. Don't like always having to rely on web browsers for that.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And how much does payroll add to my salary to use this shit at work so it can mine my data without consent? None.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I tried to change to Thunderbird but I can't figure out how to make it work with my work e-mail. I'm wondering how much of that has to do with my work e-mail using office365. 🤔

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Everything. O365/outlook do not use normal email protocols. On normal exchange you can enable imap. Do not know about o365 tho. Also unfortunatly you loose a lot of other features if you dare to step outside the walled garden.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    IMAP can be turned on for office 365 but it's up to the org admins

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    By default they use protocols specific to outlook/exchange/365. Sometimes referred to as activesync or outlook anywhere, which encapsulates their own protocol (I think it's MAPI?) Over an HTTPS tunnel.

    These technologies have had a lot of names.

    In the past few years 365 also requires TLS 1.2 at least, and oauth. Oauth is when a mini browser window pops up for your 2FA info, like ms authenticator or duo or whatever your organisation is using. The nice thing about oauth is that it's compatible with many identity providers, not just MS. The bad thing is that it's fairly unique that outlook supports it. I don't know of any other email clients that support it....

    Even if you can get passed the login, most mail clients don't support MAPI over HTTPS the way that outlook does. There are some android/iPhone apps that support it, but that's not universal either; the naming can fluctuate between the options I've mentioned earlier.

    The only good way to get this done (speaking as someone who has had to help someone get it working), the organizational email admin needs to enable either pop or (preferably) IMAP, and assign an application password to it. This password is long and usually a string of random characters. It gets saved to your email client software and it is used nowhere else. It's been a long time since I've done this and I'm not sure it's still supported like this.

    I hope that gives you more information as to the challenge ahead of you.

    Good luck.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    “We just need to make sure that the data collection of your data collecting app is working on your data collecting OS so we’re gonna need to add some data collection on that.”

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We need more main stream apps and games for linux. That's the only reason I'm the on fence now.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    What in particular do you feel like is missing? I mean, there's a lot of stuff on Linux already. There's no shortage of apps or games. But there might be some specific thing that you want that linux doesn't have.

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