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It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Really shows that liberalism is just a cult at this point. These people see any views outside their own bubble as heretical and become emotionally distraught when their own views are questioned. They're not able to carry a rational discussion or even make an argument. When they engage with others they just follow a call centre style script where they regurgitate the tropes they memorized. The only tactic these trolls use is to brigade and silence views contrary to their own.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They would disagree because "lots of people are liberals." Which is, ironically, a common defense a lot of cults use to justify why they aren't a cult.

The "Call centre" script is pretty fascinating though, reminds me a lot of creationists. You can show them evidence of transitional fossils, biology experiments demonstrating evolution in a lab, it doesn't matter. They'll ask for specific evidence, then when presented with it, find some excuse to ignore it, like tone policing or attacking a source for being "illegitimate" or "biased" without even reading it. And when they can't do that, they'll just ignore the responses and only interact with the people hurling insults because they can dismiss that much more easily than a reasonable argument.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's an interesting idea. I've said something similar irl, that there's a bourgeois script.

There's no point arguing with someone who goes into it by default. Especially family members. Not everyone uses it, but for those who do, the only end point is an exchange of insults.

Good examples are reactionary TV 'news' presenters. They aren't interested in the argument or evidence, only providing their audience with another example to confirm their pre-existing worldview. There's always another quip, another reason why they don't have to consider a new idea. It's infuriating. But when you can recognise it, you'll save yourself a lot of intellectual hardship and emotional pain.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's exactly what I realized as well. When you see that people are just regurgitating talking points they memorized, you know there's no meaningful conversation possible and it's best to just move on.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

>liberalism is just a cult at this point

Had this viewpoint since my Neocon through Third Position days. Still had it by the time I entered communism. Agreed comrade.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its crazy to see all the complaining about tankies, but I hardly see any complaining about exploding heads. Some people supporting Russia over the US is a big deal, but actual fascists passing laws in the US is barely a passing thought. Hating a foreign government more than home grown fascists is an american past time at this point. Shows where the "centrists" and "free speech advocates" sympathies lie.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Tbf exploding heads is defederated even more extensively than we are, and are much smaller instance than us, a lot of them probably aren’t even aware of exploding heads

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

just because it makes libs on federation seethe im pinning this post.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m honored , honestly it wasn’t even my intention but it’s an added bonus lol

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lemmygrad: 😴

Lemmy: "tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie"

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

Rent-free, just as Mao intended

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had an irl conversation the other day which hammered this point home. Westoids cannot psychologically handle being called out on being wrong, not knowing something, and on being prejudiced. That and all the other material reasons we know and discuss regularly mean that this instance, no matter how small, is a thorn in their eye, a spectre haunting their dreams.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago

Especially the prejudice, it’s always that we need to save Chinese people from their government, it’s always some extension of the white man’s burden couched in softer language

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It really is treated as a "sin" to be ignorant of something in the west. Personally, I love not knowing something, because it means I get to learn something, but again, education in the west is treated as "that thing that happens when you're 6-18 and no other time." and refuse to ever try to educate themselves as adults.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmygrad is already acknowledged by all other instances to be itself a power.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

They know that when the fade passes away, we will still be here, strong. :)

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well I'm reading this on .world so it is not blocked there. I think these days people like to put others in boxes to make it easier to have us vs them.

Personally I only block spammers and abusive accounts. I consider myself socialist too if that matters.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, we aren’t blocked by 2 of the biggest instances. I didn’t mean “half the users”, but every time I see a new instance in a username I go check their blocklist and it seems like ~1/2 the time lemmygrad is blocked. You would be welcome to post here even if you weren’t a socialist, you just can’t post capitalism apologia

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are quite a few socialists over at .world. And some others who aren't socialists but willing to talk in good faith. It's nice to see you and them over here.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

Some ppl in this comment section be like:

capitalist coping fascist coping

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

They hate us because they ain't us.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

300? We must have ADHD cus we active as hell and I barely participate

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Per the sidebar right now it's just 150 per day, 350 a week, and 669 per month.

I think we're preeeetty active for our numbers.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

669 a month is around double the activity we had before the reddit exodus

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I love how the Spector seems to imply an evil in the heads of most Normans. I see it in my friends group and I will admit I had heard the line in the past and thought the same. Then I decided to actually read instead of parrot and realized it's a Spector in the same literary sense as the Spectors from A Christmas Carol that haunt Ebenezer Scrooge.

The Spector of Communism exposes the world to the material realities of it's past and present, which lay the stones that lead to the grim shadows of a future yet to come. Shadows, dear reader, that we might change by leading an altered life.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is why I made my own instance, when the large instances defederate from one another they are effectively censoring and controlling what you see. In most cases, that means banning any sort of marxist discussion.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And all their users don't realise that the reason those censoring instances look more like Reddit is because Reddit had a campaign to censor all radical speech. It's not rare because radical speech isn't popular, it's rare because it's hidden and crushed.

Would you talk me briefly through setting up your own instance? Do you just run it when you want to go online or do you need to stay connected with a 24/7 self-hosted server? Don't answer these questions if it means sharing details that would compromise your security.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's some mechanics that need to be sorted out with federation. But I say this while not offering any help to Lemmy, so I'm just ranting and not criticising where the project is right now. They only have so many devs working on it and the founders are doing overtime to bring new features in.

I'm banned from lemmy world apparently which means that lemmy world users who interact on lemmygrad or any other instance will not see my comments, as they won't be federated (copied over to lemmy world's database essentially). I can see some problems with that because while I get the principle, it effectively allows instance administrators to determine who can read whom. If you make a friend on another instance too and they get banned or their instance defederated, you'll lose all contact with them.

Perhaps even worse is that lemmy.world users who come to lemmygrad won't be able to read my comments, which is just weird because this is my instance. I effectively cannot interact with them even on my home instance! Being an admin too makes it more complicated, like if I posted a pinned message to welcome users from X instance and I'm banned on that instance, they effectively wouldn't see it. You also don't get a notif when you're banned or unbanned, so you would never know.

But I'm sure these will be improved in due time.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Long live tankies!!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OooooOOOooooOoooOOo spooooky!

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