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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This news broke a few days ago and promptly received broad bipartisan backlash. It doesn’t seem clear if this buyout will be tolerated on national security grounds.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haha free market goes brrrr

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

The controversy is giving me nippons.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ouch. I'm kinda surprised the Pentagon is cool with this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As long as the US has tens of thousands of troops in Japan, why wouldn't they be?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Steal the steel!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

How is this a thing? Can US companies go ahead and buy foreign outfits like this? Is this a good idea?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The question is, would another country let one of theirs sell to a US company

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Both good questions.

It seems anti competitive, too. Won't this merger give Nippon Steel too much price setting power?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

The US government doesn't give a flying fuck about domestic monopolies, but maybe a foreign one will be too much.

Eh who am I kidding. nippon steel only fucked up by not buying the politicians beforehand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

No. US Steel is not the largest steel producer in the US. The steel market itself is fairly competitive overall so there is not really any company that has price setting power.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Can US companies go ahead and buy foreign outfits like this?

Yes, and they do so CONSTANTLY.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Businesses buy out other businesses across borders all the time. This is normal behaviour.

As for whether it's a good idea: in short, competitive markets tend to be a lot more efficient than protected markets - which ultimately leads to lower prices for consumers. Nippon Steel thinks it can operate US Steel more efficiently than the current owners and managers of US Steel, hence Nippon Steel thinking it is profitable for them to buy it at a price that is higher than what the current owners value it at (as reflected in US Steel's share price).

The fact that more efficient companies can buy out less efficient companies is an important part of what keeps market-based economies successful and dynamic. If you want to know what it looks like when economies don't allow this, take a look at the economic malaise in somewhere like Britain in the 1970s after several decades of protectionism and state support for failing industries (or if you take protectionism to a logical extreme, North Korea...)

There's potentially a line of argument about monopoly risk (monopolies are economically inefficient) but that seems limited here - US Steel is only the 24th largest steel producer and the combination of Nippon and US Steel will still be smaller than the biggest players in the steel market like Baowu and ArcelorMittal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Depends on the country. Some are more protective of industries than others so they will block any foreign companies buying domestic ones.

Is it a good idea? The steel market is pretty competitive and US Steel is far from the leader in the market. They were a monopolistic power 120 years ago but they peaked over 100 years ago and have declined significantly since then.