Wagner Boss Says He’s En Route to Moscow and ‘Ready to Die’ With 25,000 Fighters (www.thedailybeast.com)

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Moscow has announced an “anti-terrorist operation” as the mercenary group says it’s engaging in battles with the regular Russian military.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

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Vladimir Putin made an extraordinary address to the nation on Saturday morning admitting that he was facing an armed insurrection led by former confidante Yevgeny Prigozhin and his Wagner mercenaries. After months of feuding between the mercenary boss and Russia's Defense Ministry, things came to a head Friday when Prigozhin accused the Russian military of ordering a rocket strike on a camp full of his men, and vowed merciless revenge. Within hours, the Prosecutor General's Office announced charges against Prigozhin for attempting to incite an armed rebellion, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years behind bars. Prigozhin showed no sign of backing down, instead releasing a series of audio messages via his press service late Friday in which he accused the Defense Ministry of deploying fighter jets to shoot at Wagner vehicles in the Rostov region and of firing at civilians on Russian territory. While the drama between Moscow and Prigozhin played out, Ukrainian officials announced Friday their forces had retaken eight villages from Russian control as part of their first counteroffensive.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

So Putin has been paying Nazis to fight Nazis and some of those Nazis are planing a coup against him.

The West has also been supporting Nazis to fight Nazis.

And now in America Nazis are coming out again and are doing Nazi things.

As someone who lives in Illinois “I hate Illinois Nazis.”

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We all know how this is gonna end. Prigozhin marches his 25,000 troops into Moscow, faces stiff resistance and is either killed in combat or captured.

Putin then goes full Vlad the Impaler and parades his corpse skewered on a pike for all of Russia to see, as a stark reminder of what happens to rebels.

This is a substantial setback for the Russian war effort, but I really cannot see Prigozhin overthrowing Putin. Best thing he could have done was defect to the West instead of try to depose the figurehead.

He is pissing on a hornet's nest.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

After seeing how much of a coward Putin is I have a hard time seeing him be anything more than an opportunist who takes easy cheap shots. He is out if his league now.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

After seeing how much of a coward Putin is I have a hard time seeing him be anything more than an opportunist who takes easy cheap shots. He is out if his league now.

A coward? Lol, idk about that.

It takes real balls to last as long as he has as a dictator. It also takes balls to piss off the entire UN while continuing to double down.

I don't see this turning out well for him, but if he was really a coward none of this shit would have happened.

Nah, he's just a dictator who finally bit off more than he could chew.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Yes and no. I think being a dictator like him goes hand in hand with being a coward. For example, repeatedly resorting to war crimes when a war isn't going your way, pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣), poisoning and killing anyone who doesn't show 100% loyalty to you, jailing your opposition, and even jailing and using excessive force against protestors for simply appearing upset.

The situation with Prigozhin could even demostrate his cowardice (assuming it isn't just a tactic to move wagner closer to Kviv) considering how bizarre it was. Either he caved to Prigozhin or it was fake.

At this point I am curious how this ends for him and Russia, but I am sure it won't end well.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For example, repeatedly resorting to war crimes when a war isn't going your way, pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣),

You sure his reasoning for performing those war crimes is because the war wasn't going his way? I could see him performing them regardless of the outcome - it aligns with his ruthless behavior.

I still wouldn't it cowardly though.

pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣),

Of course he does: he's a ruthless dictator. What do you expect? The dynamic has always been the same for people like that; Stalin, Hitler and Sadam each dealt with the same problems.

poisoning and killing anyone who doesn't show 100% loyalty to you

If you're a dictator, a lack of 100% loyalty implies you're dealing with someone who would try and kill you if given the chance.

In the dictator's regime, this isn't cowardice; it's survival.

and even jailing and using excessive force against protestors for simply appearing upset.

Again, he's a dictator and a fascist. There's nothing out of the ordinary here for someone who chooses to play that role.

At this point I am curious how this ends for him and Russia, but I am sure it won't end well.

Well, yeah. The entire world is against what he's doing.

Putin is just a dictator. You can't survive as a dictator without doing all of these things that you're associating with cowardice.

But that's the thing: we're talking about someone who would laugh if he was called a coward. He doesn't care what you think.

But if you want to pretend that you're a part of a country that holds a moral high ground above Russia's dealings, you have that right in a non dictatorship.

The US government has been involved in and supported some of the most haneous shit you can imagine.

Yes, Putin is a scumbag. If you're going to criticize someone, though, you should do it in a way that actually makes sense.

Otherwise, you're just a part of the media mob circlejerk.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

What are the odds Putin is still around in one month? This shit is fucking nuts.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I would say high. It appears Progozian is saying this is all Shoigu's fault and Putin needs to replace him with Progozian. I imagine they'll use this as an excuse to retreat from Ukraine and sacrifice Shoigu as the reason for the invasion.

Honestly, if this gives the Ukrainian's their land back and peace I'm all for it. I care less about the evil of the world getting their cumuppance rather than the innocent getting to live happily.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Did you spell comeuppance like that on purpose?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Nope, I'm just incompetent.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

*incumpetent

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