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Pick whatever non-NATO source.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They will be russian to put him in the ground.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Yup, nothing to figure out there. At the end of the day it’s just siberian any other coffin

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Technically correct. The best kind of correct

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What if he have nano machine, son?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Nano machine lost in pocket. Putin die.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 10 months ago (1 children)

During his next public speech, you'd notice that his eyebrows are slightly bushier, his voice is slightly deeper, and he's suddenly an inch taller.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Doppelgangers! Listen!

There is a good news and a bad news for you this morning.

The good news is: Our Great Leader has survived the dangerous attack last night.

The other news is: He has lost his right arm. "

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Took me a few moments to get this

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I tried searching but to no avail, is it a quote?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

If he loses his right arm, and Doppelgangers have to look exactly like him, they also have to lose their right arms

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

If Putin loses an arm, all of his doppelgängers will need to lose an arm too. Otherwise they’ll be immediately identified as doppelgängers.

It’s a pretty well known thing that Putin frequently uses lookalikes for public appearances. It’s apparently an old habit from when he was a KGB agent. So if someone snipes him from a rooftop, it’s probably not even him; He can claim to have miraculously survived the shooting, then carry on as if nothing happened.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No matter who actually did it. Russia would blame Ukraine/NATO/USA/The West in general, together and separately in rotation.

After that I have no real idea, who would succeed. There would be a massive power struggle both in the government and military.

There is a strong possibility that several of the autonomous regions within the Russian federation would try to break away. There is about a 20% chance of a civil war because of this.

And about a 1% chance of nukes being used.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well Ukraine is on the table as a non-NATO source and obvious contender given the war.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine would do it with the help of several other Western nations. A definite team effort!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I doubt anyone would help them given the implication.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Currently, there is no other really powerful figure next to him.

Therefore a giant power vacuum emerges.

The war would stop, probably very soon. But then the situation gets chaotic and unpredictable.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'd wager the war goes from internal, to internal civil war, if Putin dies, as various power blocks try either secure their own positions/power, or reach for more.

assuming they didnt try to blame the west, which then things get far more worse for NATO states, and possibly hot

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There’s got to be some kind of Vice Putin isn’t there? A guy who can step in and rule with an iron fist and keep things running? Or is this just some kind of jackal feeding frenzy sort of situation when he dies?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Well yes, no and yes.

There is a second in line, Mikhail Mishustin. He is relatively new to the position(prime Minister) and was likely chosen for his loyalty and because he is most likely a weak political actor.

There is also Dmitry Medvedev who is currently the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia. He was the former Prime Minister and president of Russia. A long time member of Putin's Government. He is likely a much stronger political actor. Having said that he may have had a falling out with Putin and has been sidelined for the last few years.

There are also a number of generals and the leaders of both the FSB and GRU who could bring force to bear to gain power.

It is unlikely that anyone one of these people have both the political capital and the monopoly on violence to easily take power. It is very common for strongman leaders to surround themselves with weak deputies so that they cannot be easily forced out of power by one of their own. This is in part why you tend to see autocratic regimes collapse into chaos.

It is also worth noting that there is no second inline for the president in Russia. It goes president, prime minister, nobody.

If you want to learn more about this dynamic CP Grey did a great few videos on YouTube called The Keys To Power. It explains how various types of leaders get and maintain power.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah I'd imagine the troops in Ukraine would be pulled back into Russia largely to secure someone's position in their upper ranks, with only enough to maintain defensive positions in Ukraine. If Ukraine broke through during this period it'd probably be over while Russia is distracted with internal issues.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

There would be a power vacuum, probably a few murders/suicides/defenstrations, and the elections scheduled for a few months from now will probably be postponed during the struggle for leadership of the country. My guess is the powers that eventually take over will agree to pull out of Ukraine, conduct a few show trials, and do whatever else they think they have to in order for the west to lift the sanctions and unlock the oligarch's accounts.

It would please me greatly to know that Ukraine will outlive Putin.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Ukraine would claim they did it, and everyone would clap

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

We (Russia) tried to assassinate Ukraine's leader multiple times but were unsuccessful. It isn't fair that Ukraine was successful in their attempt on our leader!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Being a member of the KGB, he'd probably be replaced quick with someone who is just like him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Didn't know they already build the Cloning Vat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Plastic surgery on a double for public appearances. Deepfakes for videos.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nuh-uh, he'd be zombie Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

He likely has a dead man's switch to release the trump hooker piss tapes

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

An even worse Putin coming to power.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Putin might never be allowed to die... (even if he already has).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't imagine Russian fakery would be that good. This could be out of a comedy sketch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

That'd probably be true for a while, but after that they'd need to start an "election" where some military commander or other higher up will take his chair.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Something like Futurama's heads in a bowl?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Life imitates art. He died, they put his head in a jar and then just kept going.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I would feel better albeit for just a moment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

destabilization until the Kremlin finds a new president in that time probably multiple nations would be indipendent and Ukraine would pretty much launch their offensive and the union state collapses and tv stations all across Russia hijacked

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

theyd probably put one of the pop stars that are members of the party and are in sound enough mind to be able to string two sentences together in his place(unlike the guy himself considering the brainrot that are his speeches, but then again the italian pm went on stage to share the same kind of schizophrenic speech). and then everyone would jointly come out to endorse the selected champion and try their best to feint normalcy.

besides, great opportunity to tighten the bolts even more and declare a domestic hunt on traitors

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

There would be another president & the west wouldn't be happy with that one either

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