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[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Already starting to lose democratic rights I see. Wasn't that guy supposed to be a so called libertarian? I thought they hailed themselves as these bastions of freedom in politics.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When the crisis hits (which in Argentina's case is the default status) and the contradictions heighten, libertarians eventually have to choose between free markets or free people.

And the "free helicopter rides" jokes they've been making for the last decade tells me how wrong they tend to choose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That last thing is only from Hans-Hermann Hoppe fans circles. They are not strictly ancaps even.

There's the name "paleolibertarian" for them, which I'm not sure is correct, stuff like "genetic aristocracy" doesn't seem libertarian at all for me.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I thought that guy was supposed to be "Anarcho"?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anarcho-capitalist, which is a dog whistle for greedy fascist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Put the cap in the an-cap?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's not a right wing government without deadly crackdowns against dissent

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If you ever even visited Buenos Aires for a few days, you'd know these protests are astroturfed. Opposition will fill busses from the villas miserias (equivalent to favelas) and flood the streets and gridlock the capital for hours. It happens so often that its become a regular nuisance. A lot of these people don't work and are on social plans. They are essentially used as a foot army by the peronistas to manipulate political power.

I'm not saying this to justify whats going on, but giving people context.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Uhhh.. Milei’s been in office for what, a week? Are you saying the “Peronistas” were driving people in to protest their own government?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From one side, not all protests were against the national government, some if not most, were and are usually against the Buenos Aires City government (which is not peronist), or against some other government. You must take into account that Buenos Aires is a city with a high concentration of institutional buildings. So everything is in Buenos Aires. There's this old saying in Argentina "God is everywhere, but his offices are/he only attends in Buenos Aires"

On the other hand, the peronist party is a highly fractured party. It's more like a coalition of different minded individuals, that gather around the caudillo in turn. That's why Perón himself said "peronists are like cats, when you hear them screaming, they are not fighting, they are matting". Once the caudillo is in power, he must maintain it, and strength demonstrations are usually in the form of "getting the street". Meaning, making a ruckus and sending people to protest. This goes for both sides, sports and detectors.

So, as you can hopefully see, Argentina's politics aren't as straightforward as thought.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Fair. Argentina’s politics are complicated. I was there in 2002 and remember groups of people sitting in circles discussing the political situation at the time.

I love Buenos Aires btw, hope things get better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bruh. Yes. Remember there were protests against Trump before he was even president?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah except those protests were not astroturfed, just people with valid complaints.

And they were right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because Trump said what he was going tk do and people didn't like. He didn't even win the majority and had revealed himself tk he racist and sexist, of course people were going to protest him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

it's also not a right wing government without people insisting that all the noise is just poor people who should be ignored

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

“The guarantor protocol of Nilda Garré is repealed,” stated Bullrich at the end of her press conference, in reference to the rules governing police actions in the face of protests that was installed in 2011 during the government of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. Garré, who was Minister of Security at the time, established some basic rules of engagement during demonstrations, such as police intervention being deployed in a “progressive” manner, starting with dialogue with the organizers of the protest. The Garré protocol also established the prohibition of officers who might come into direct contact with the demonstrators from carrying firearms, that rubber bullets could only be used “for defensive purposes,” that all officers and their vehicles should be visibly identified, and that the police should guarantee free news coverage of protests without preventing journalists from taking testimonies and photographs. What the repeal of this protocol would entail remains unclear.

Emphasis mine. It's pretty clear the consequences will be crackdowns on protesters.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Milei is a Thatcherite.

I anticipate things are going to get ugly in Argentina... horrible direction to see.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I guess we might not end up seeing the inevitable catastrophic economic results from Milei's "platform." Maybe we'll see him chased off via mass protests before his dream is fully realized?