this post was submitted on 15 Dec 2023
492 points (95.1% liked)

politics

18789 readers
3674 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
  2. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  3. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  4. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
  5. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  6. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 200 points 8 months ago (6 children)

People aren't fucking paying attention. I don't mean the 30% or so who are MAGA die-hards. I mean literally every other person who considers voting for Trump. So many of them don't even pay attention to the news that they aren't even aware that this is a horse race where, as bad as one contender can be, the other one is a fucking Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 8 months ago (3 children)

No, they're paying attention. They're voting for the fascists on purpose, because they will only hurt the people who they feel deserve it, and then America will be available to the right kind of people.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A vast number of Americans do not really pay much attention to elections until the last minute, if at all.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Many are religious who just feel that the party represents their values more and will vote blindly without thinking of the consequences.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Also, people who lean left need to get off their asses and vote. About half of eligible voters actually vote, and slightly more eligible voters lean more left than right. If half of those left leaning non-voters voted, imagine how many races would be won handily by Democrats.

To me these are the people who need to be paying attention and doing their civic duty.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I don't mean the 30% or so who are MAGA die-hards. I mean literally every other person who considers voting for Trump.

I don't think anyone is on the fence at this point. If anyone is even considering voting for Trump they agree with at least some of his agenda, which is entirely batshit insane.
If they find any of his qualities or policies even the slightest bit appealing they are part of the maga crowd. There's absolutely nothing moderate about him, there's no room for middle ground.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As much as I hate to say it, I still think there are people so clueless as to be voting for him for what they think are "good" economic policies (for their own 401K or the price of groceries/gas). They are so low-info that they think people are just upset with him for "mean tweets" or the like.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They don’t care. They just don’t want to vote for a Dem. Since the Dems are commies, devil worshippers or whatever the latest meme that hit these voters’ Facebook timeline tells them to think.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

every other person who considers voting for Trump

.....AND those who will vote for a third party candidate

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The US is sleepwalking into fascism. Well, don't say we didn't warn you.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Half of us are being dragged, the other half is pulling us. It's illegal for the ones being dragged to protect themselves from the ones pulling us as we live in a state.

Then there's the leftist non-voters who seem to think that if you don't choose Republican or Democrat we default to peaceful communism.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'd say it's more like 40% of us are being dragged by 25% of us while 35% watch on, refusing to participate either way despite the fact that they'll be dragged in next.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago

Oh, the fascists are waking wide-eyed awake straight into it. And they’re dragging the rest of us with them.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm wide awake, my heart is pounding, and my vocal chords are shredded from the screaming. Not all of us are asleep. 1/3rd of the country actually wants this.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

1/3rd of the country actually wants this.

Not-so-fun fact: in 1930s Germany, the highest the Nazi Party ever performed in a national vote was 37%.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

"Its like poetry, it rhymes."

  • George Lucas
[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not sleepwalking if we all know that it's happening and are screaming about it, but nobody in power is doing anything to stop it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Fact is, like any normal distribution, 2/3 if American voters are uneducated centrists that dont understand how their system of government works or what the meaning of scary political words mean. To them, the world is just fine, but that Biden feller made me sleepy so fuck him.

Most Americans have no idea what is waiting for them on January 21st 2025.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

sick of this talking point, we're wide awake and the warning signs are all there.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Good thing you guys learned from 2015 and not giving him 10x more press coverage than other candidates. No way that could go wrong. It's not like there is no such thing as bad publicity...

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

An older relative is here for the holidays and was watching some YouTube yesterday. Somehow, there exists a 30 minute which talked all about what a genius Trump was and how he doesn't like electric vehicles. Just this endless stream of "Donald Trump visionary policies on..." and his brilliant predictions that were all true. No details, references, or a critical thought about how Trump probably doesn't know that there's anything inside the parts of the car he can't see.

Edit - what I am trying to point out is that this goes way beyond traditional news outlets. I don't think this guy watches a lot of news. I do think he considers himself well informed. We are Canadian, BTW. He's into cars (and an incredible mechanic as well as being a generally good person I enjoy spending time with) so this is on his feed.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That part can't completely change simply because the mechanics of it are too fundamental and too blunt. A Presidential candidate who is the front runner for one of the two parties saying they want to deploy troops is news. It's newsworthy. They can't just ignore it and if they did they would be doing the news anymore.

It's the same as all the way back in 2016 - after Trump won the election, the NYT published a lengthy, complicated story detailing his many conflicts of interest which probably took a team or reporters months to do. And on the same day it was published Trump tweeted that there had been "3 million fraudulent votes" (still waiting on the evidence of that btw).

That move drowned out the conflict of interest story by a lot, and more than that - the president elect saying shit like that is actually genuinely news. The news media can't just ignore it.

They've gotten a bit better over the years at dealing with him . Now they'll say stuff like "Trump asserted yet again, without evidence, that he won the 2020 election" instead of just regurgitating his nonsense without context. But them ignoring Trump isn't the answer.

The problem here is that many Americans want this guy as president the first place.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Trump is a danger to the world. Put him in prison.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Fucking put him somewhere. Depth is optional imo.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes. Now ask if anyone will stop him.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Umm…. Will anyone stop him?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

Their silence is your answer.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Has that honestly ever stopped Trump before?

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I guess this means the 2nd amendment crowd finally gets their opportunity to use their stockpiled guns against the government in a case like this? /s

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes, exactly right. You do not need the /s at all because that is the purpose of 2A.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

that doesn't work though when at least half of the 2nd amendment supporters voted for fascism. What are they going to do, take up arms against the party they voted into power themselves?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

This exactly. These fascists will point their guns squarely at liberals and Democrats in the name of their country.

Remember when Trump said he could shoot a person in Times Square and get away with it?

His supporters loved him for that because they want to do this too. They want to get away with murdering people.

Make no mistake: we will have another coup if Trump is "elected". The question is will there be enough people to stand up and rise against it.

I hate to say it but I'm not optimistic on that.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not /s, you're exactly right, you should move to the left and be prepared as well.

There's a lot of people sounding the alarm, but it seems liberals still don't believe what conservatives have been straight up telling them for years.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the nazi wants to build concentration camps to murder the brown people. This is in line with his platform.

The irony with this is that the vulnerable people crossing the border would otherwise pick up low wage manufacturing and menial labor jobs that create wealth for the nation and farmers, but it seems that republicans are banking on poor white babies to grow up and accept those jobs in 14 years and be good republican voters. I don't see the pendulum swinging so hard to the right that the strategy would ever work.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Never forget that George Bush closed the southern border for 48 hours. That's as long as it lasted. Then big business farms and other companies who desperately rely on immigrant labor got in some people's ear.

If Trump does this it would destroy the economy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

Wouldn't be his first time absolutely destroying a valuable money making system with his stupid tiny hands. Everything he touches turns to garbage.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

If Trump does this it would destroy the economy.

He's literally already done it once. The Ag sector, especially family farms, still haven't recovered from his blatant mismanagement & immigration screwups.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

I'm still finding it extremely unlikely he's electable. Not saying we shouldn't take it seriously, though.

Over the years many conservative anti-vaxxers have died from covid, boomers are dying off, and anyone who wasn't already a trumper isn't exactly lining up.

Most economic indicators are trending very well; meanwhile the abortion topic continues to backfire tremendously.

2022 proved polls don't sufficiently capture millennial and zoomers.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

I'm GenX, and I wouldn't answer a poll if you paid me. I will vote, and I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life. If there's no Dem candidate on the ballot for a specific office, I leave it blank so they can see how many votes they're not getting when they don't run a candidate.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (11 children)

He might want to check to see how the troops and their leaders feel about that.

load more comments (11 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Democratic Peoples Republic of Trumpistan

load more comments
view more: next ›