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Calls are growing for the UN Security Council to be reformed after the US became the only member to use its veto power to block a Gaza ceasefire resolution, a move welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The UN chief says he will keep pushing for peace.

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[–] [email protected] 194 points 11 months ago (49 children)

Nothing changed on the UNSC when Russia vetoed the resolution to leave Ukraine.

I'm not educated enough to say which is a "worse" violation of the principles the UN stands for, but I'll go out on a limb and say nothing will change this time, either.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Yes, the whole idea of countries being able to veto UN resolutions are leading to exactly this, Russia vetoing all resolutions condemning their aggression in Ukraine and the US vetoing all resolutions concerning Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Who's to say the call for reform is only motivated by the most recent ridiculous veto?

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 11 months ago

Which will be vetoed by all permanent members of the security council.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Nobody is surprised and that's a bad sign. The UN was invented to give the nations of our world a shared forum to talk things out and find a "resolution" before genociding each other. The thing is we can't expect the UN to stop conflict.

Edit: Some people seem to confuse the UN security council with the UN. The SC has only 15 members (5 permanent member nations, 10 rotating member nations) and is usually asked to vote on intervention once a resolution was passed. It can't act with a veto.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago (8 children)

The problem in this case is depending on the security council to act on an issue it isn't designed to address.

The main purpose of the UN is to prevent global war, and the Security Council is the primary way in which that goal is achieved.

In that context, the P5's veto power makes sense. It prevents resolutions pitting the world against one of the superpowers that can sustain that kind of war.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (15 children)

American here, I support this call.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So there were no "calls for reform" after a similar Russian veto about Artsakh in 2020 or recently. If nobody cares about that, then why should I care about anything else really.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (3 children)

There has been "calls for reform" almost every time Russia has vetoed

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There shouldn't be a security council

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