I don't see this as "stop eating meat to save the environment." I see this as "fix the meat industry to save the environment"

Do you want a warmer earth or everything that eats plants eradicated by farmers protecting their crops. Both seem like lose lose.

What about soy derivates being used as estrogens by the body suppressing testosterone. Plus to keep soy fields you have to spray more pesticides than everything else.

Vegans create more than four times the noise pollution doe.

Do you want to REALLY cut down on pollution? Stop giving free money to the giant corporations that are causing the most of it.

I'm not going to be vegan and I'm not going to eat bugs. If the corporations want to stop climate change, the corporations are causing the most of it.

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector gives a good breakdown of the worlds C02 production. Electricity and basic household use combined with transport are 73% of the problem. Livestock is 5.8%.

If every person on the planet installed Solar panels and completely removed their grid electricity and gas usage and replaced their car with an electric vehicle and didn’t use planes we could address 10.9% + 11.9% + 1.9% = 24.7% of all CO2 production. If we all gave up all meat then we could raise that to 30.5%. Its less than that however because only 60% of personal transit is actually passenger vehicles, not all aviation is people, some tiny amount of emissions for cement is going to be personal etc etc. That is the grand total that we have control over with personal replacement and some consumer choice and some of that livestock would go into other protein sources. The rest is all businesses and building and waste management that if we stopped using would no longer be developed nations and that we have no control over how its powered. Its fair to say business is responsible for reducing emissions of at least 70% of the problem.

I would also argue that there is no particular reason for consumers to be responsible for electricity CO2 production either when CO2 free alternatives exist, we might have the option to buy solar, wind and batteries but the grid is a better place to fix that in the same model so I think we could argue reasonable its even less we are directly responsible for. All of this is consumption for us and the economy, no people means no CO2 production but any CO2 we don’t directly emit (a car is direct as is a gas cooker or a wood burner) isn’t our fault its the business that burnt it to deliver that service/energy and we don’t get to control it so we can’t be held responsible for it.

The entire goal is to transition our lifestyles into something sustainable not to go back to there being 10,000 of us living like cavemen.

Oh well.

So who's having burgers tonight? Maybe with bacon too.

Who gives a fuck about greenhouse gasses. All the creatures we create are our children, and all are owed the unconditional love and protection of their creators. The experiences of animals are real and matter. Their suffering is identical in nature to your own. It harms us when we take pleasure in cruelty and violence.

You work so hard to block out that simple reality. The destruction of climate, personal health, and ecosystems, those are all just incidental to the atrocity that we are committing on intelligent creatures. You cannot enjoy a cheeseburger or bacontho while you are watching Dominion. Your enjoyment is predicated on fucking DENIAL.