Tis a shame.
this post was submitted on 08 Dec 2023
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Moving to another state where they’ll be appreciated. It’s been interesting to watch companies move to the south to avoid the politics of the north.
Vise versa is also true. A number of companies are covering moves for employees who want to get out of states with laws the employees believe put them at personal risk.
You have an example of a company moving an HQ or factory? I have not. I’ve only seen blue to red. A lot have moved to Texas.
No, but I have experienced companies already rooted in Blue states paying to move their employees if they want to relocate for political reasons. They're also working with insurance companies to expand coverage areas, covering personal travel costs, and allowing extra time off if people have to travel outside of the state they live in to get care they need.
Moving a few employees is much different than moving thousands of jobs and millions in revenue.
Blue States are losing a lot of good paying jobs. Oracle moved their HQ to Florida. Tesla is building new factories in Texas. New York is losing many income earners.
Yeah I get a few dozen people moved from a red state to a blue state but the trend is companies are moving south.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3854794-the-new-red-wave-is-already-here/amp/
Respectfully, neither company is known for treating their employees very well.
Under the hood of moves like this are a number of things that are favorable to the company at the cost of the individual. Business/tax laws are certainly favorable to the organization, there is no denying that. Cost of labor is lower, as well; these companies are counting on a percentage of people not being able to move and then replacing them with local, cheaper labor. Any employees that are relying on those companies for Visa sponsorship have little-to-no recourse for theses types of decisions and risk losing their status if that aren't willing to relocate.
I don't deny companies are moving to states like Texas and Florida and you'd be wrong to deny and ignore individuals who can are leaving those states at a higher-than-normal rate.
If you look at metro areas people are leaving this year, USPS data says Austin is 5th. Houston is 1st. Close to 20% of technologiest who moved to Texas during the pandemic not only regret their decision, but are looking to leave AND are citing fear for themselves and/or their families as why.
That’s because Austin is run by democrats and the crime is rampant.
My mistake; I should have been more specific. The fear for themselves and/or their family members was related to the political climate and inability to get healthcare.
Once again Austin is run by democrats. It’s a scary place to be because they don’t respect law and order. I go in a frequent basis and the city is a scary place. That’s what happens when you defund the police.
For technology workers, I don’t know why there would be an issue getting healthcare. If you’re talking about abortion, that’s a small part of healthcare.
Ah. I can see this conversation risks becoming uncivil and I'd rather not, so... Later.
Nothing uncivil at all. Everything I’ve seen points to time and cost of living as being the reason for leaving. I’ve not seen claims of people people feeling “unsafe” because it’s a red state and I don’t know why healthcare would be an issue compared to any other state. Texas has some the leading hospitals in the nation.
If you have a cite for your claims, I’d gladly read them.
Oracle moved their HQ to Florida.
As a software dev, good riddance. Yall can have oracle.
I know someone who works for Oracle and he loves his job and makes like $300k a year. He's crazy rich. Why do you dislike them?
My guy, that's like judging the military industrial complex by how satisfied Raytheon shareholders are. Yeah, no shit the people making bank from it like oracle. But as a whole, they tend to be extremely anti-consumer and generally shitty. So for those of us who work with stuff oracle does, it's really annoying
Oracle as a company has some unpopular decisions. Quite a few in fact.
Heres a reddit thread on it. https://www.reddit.com/r/oracle/comments/q9mtxd/why_do_people_hate_oracle/
People always hate successful companies. Yes they’ve done some shady things but no worse than anyone else.
I hate when they went to the core model but so did everyone else.
I didn’t like they killed sun but sun was dying.
More so, why wouldn’t you want them paying taxes to provide for your city/state?!?
I mean, fair, Oracle is greedy af, but they do represent a lot of jobs, and they arent in a vaccuum either.
Yes, thousands of jobs and billions in revenue are worth leaving. smh
You don't know how to take a joke.
I do. I listen to you all the time.
I listen to you
No you don't, you shove your fingers in your ears and bury your head in the sand.
At best, you put words in people's mouths and the run away when you get called out on something.
I never run away. I’m just not going to off topic circular conversations. Once I have said what I need to say. I move on. You should try it.
You should try listening to people instead of putting words in their mouth.
companies are covering moves for employees
company moving an HQ or factory
Pizza, the entire thread's context is about a company moving their factory.
And Bandit's claim was "companies are covering moves for employees" so holding them to the claim of "companies moving their HQ or factories" is bad faith.
It's called moving the goal posts.
THat is what the article is about. How to say you didn’t read the article
It's not the claim Bandit made. Learn to figure out what people are saying instead of putting words in their mouth. You have an awfully hard time keeping track of conversations.
Can you stay on topic?
What claim did Bandit make? What claim are you trying to hold them to?
I'll give you a hint, they're two different claims, and that's called moving the goal posts.
And you don't like that you got called out for it, so you're just complaining something else.
Maybe you should re-read the conversation. Once again you are lost in the sauce.
The inference was that the two were similar. They are not. Not even close. If you had read either of the articles, you would have known that, but you so desperately want to be right on something, you just had to get in the middle.