Parts of a business jet likely started to break off even before it slammed into the ground and erupted in a ball of flames in South Florida, killing all nine people on board, a federal investigator said Monday.

Video recorded by passersby captured the Bahamas-bound Learjet’s rapid nosedive Sunday afternoon before it exploded in Greenacres, about 7 miles (11 kilometers) southwest of West Palm Beach. Flames flickered around chunks of pavement lining the crater as shocked residents looked on in horror. Thick black smoke engulfed the crash site and little remained of the plane.

“Debris was everywhere. Debris hit my house. Everything was on fire. The road was on fire,” Anthony Blackmon, who lives near the crash site, told NBC affiliate WTVJ. “I’ve always seen it on the news, never thought it would happen so close to somebody like how it happened today.”

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[–] 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

Yeah, they reported overspeed warnings to ATC and very high descent rates (first 10k, then 20k feet per minute), and they had an extreme vertical speed on adsbexchange of over 32k feet/min (which would be 370 mph or 600 km/h), and then 506 knots (when descent was about 20k ft/min) declining to 241 knots in the horizontal direction. Go fast enough in a dive and a plane will start to break up, like Flight 93 on 9/11 or that recent FlyDubai incident, where the rudder tore off in a dive. While it was too blurry for me to tell—it was moving very quickly—one comment on the dashcam footage of the impact said that looked like the vertical stabilizer or something had come off, and in (Florida governor) DeSantis's press briefing, he said that there was debris spread all over, which is more likely if the plane starts breaking up before it hits the ground.

EDIT: According to this, a Learjet 60 has a maximum speed of 465 knots.

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  • [–] 2 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

    Unsurprising.

    “We are in an overspeed condition descending 20,000 feet per minute,” the pilot radioed.

    When an aircraft is overspeed, it’s going faster than designed and that exerts extra force on the parts that stick out (like wings and control surfaces). Too much overspeed and of course parts start to break off. That doesn’t mean those parts had anything to do with the original cause of the descent (which seems like ice and weather).

    There’s nothing new to report until the passenger list is disclosed or the crash investigation is concluded, this is just a nothing headline looking for eyeballs.

    Edit: Here’s the single frame before impact from the dashcam video that captured the crash. Looks like no wings by that point.

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  • [–] 2 points 42 minutes ago

    Planes outside of like military fighters aren't designed to descend while the engines are going full ass. 20k meters per minute will probably shear some stuff off.

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