all 32 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 41 points 1 day ago (19 children)

the company's prospectus has just warned that AI could “pose catastrophic or existential risks to humanity.”

They're still going with this marketing angle, huh? LLMs will likely not ever be sentient. There will always be a human in the loop, somewhere.

As the article says, the main catastrophic or existential risk it has is collapsing the economy and destroying careers.

  • source
  • hideshow 19 child comments
  • [–] 27 points 1 day ago (16 children)

    You can drop the “likely”

    LLMs will never and can never gain sentience

    The only reason that’s even still part of the conversation is because the majority of people dont understand how a computer works (and the slop mongers keep lying their asses off to push this narrative. It is completely translucent bullshit to people who understand computers).

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (15 children)

    Yeah, it's just not how LLMs work. People literally think LLMs are already alive. I'm not sure why I added "likely" tbh

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 15 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (13 children)

    I think it’s likely because the AI-boosters have been making the argument that we’re in an echo chamber and closed minded (we aren’t, we’re factually correct), or that we “can’t define sentience” (we can, it’s very easy, and they get real butthurt when you do it).

    That dynamic encourages us to make unnecessary concessions in an attempt to appear more “civil” or “open minded”.

    Gotta resist the urge to put on the kid gloves and stand on business tho. These people arent arguing in good faith, and they are undeserving of any grace.

    If some n00b wants to call me a ludite or something thats fine, but I’m gonna respond by intellectually pantsing them, and exposing them as bitchmade technocucks who believe in shit they have no understanding of.

    Fuck playing nice, don’t take the bait, lol

    edit: if you look at the replies to this comment, this is the only strategy they can conjure to push back against logic - bad faith semantic arguments that flippantly ignore well-established definitions of common words.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentience

    Computers do not experience feelings, and one’s inability to grasp the reality of that fact does not change it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 13 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (12 children)

    Hold on, there is a widely accepted definition of sentience?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentience

    It basically means “capable of experiencing feelings”

    You don’t honestly believe that the plausibilistic text generator is capable of experiencing feelings or emotions do you?

    You know what an LLM will do if you spin one up, (bringing it “to life” in your warped perceptions) and then don’t prompt it? Fucking nothing, because it’s software. Shitty software at that.

    Try it at home if you don’t believe me, just try not to forget to breathe while your mind is occupied.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    sentience noun 1: a sentient quality or state 2: feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought

    What... is this a joke? These are so non-specific and generic. With this as criteria you could argue for anything being sentient, and nothing being sentient. This is useless.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago

    Ahh, so you find the use of the root word of sentience to be non-specific?

    I’m not sure if you know this, but on the internet dictionary, you can click on the other blue words if you don’t understand them, and it will show you their definitions too!

    Then you just have to mentally concatenate the knowledge. I’ll help walk you through it this time. The root word you need help with is “sentient” (at least I think that’s the whole of it, but if you also don’t understand any of the other words in that definition just let me know and I’ll break them down).

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentient

    Sentient (adjective) -

    1. Capable of sensing or feeling: concious of or responsive to the sensations of seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling

    2. Aware

    3. Finely sensitive in perception or feeling

    So that means sentience (noun) is:

    1. A quality or state of being able to feel, or perceive feeling

    2. Feeling or sesation as distinguished from perception and thought

    Ok, so now, do you think that the slop generation software program is able to feel? Do you think the software program is aware? Do you think the software program is finely sensitive in perception or feeling?

    Follow up question, Do you have any foundational conception of what a computer is, or what software does?

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I was also unaware of this...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentience

    It basically means “capable of experiencing feelings”

    You don’t honestly believe that the plausibilistic text generator is capable of experiencing feelings or emotions do you?

    You know what an LLM will do if you spin one up, (bringing it “to life” in your warped perceptions) and then don’t prompt it? Fucking nothing, because it’s software. Shitty software at that.

    Try it at home if you don’t believe me, just try not to forget to breathe while your mind is occupied.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't mean linguistically.

    I was always under the impression that it's a complex combination of feelings, perception, experiences, cognition, and self-awareness. Not one simple yes/no definition. Y'know, like what the human brain (and we're seeing more, nonhuman animals' brains) does, but stochastic spicy autocomplete never can do.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago

    It’s a word, it is linguistic by nature. I would grant that it is not as simple of a concept as being “alive”, but, like all words it does have a set definition and meaning.

    Your definition is basically correct, but I disagree that possesion of sentience is more than a yes or no.

    There are cases where it is unclear if a life posses sentience, like a jellyfish for example. The great majority of animals do have sentience, I don’t understand why the belief that animals don’t experience emotions and sensations is so prevalent while being so easily disproven. Perhaps it makes them easier to eat.

    You are 1000% correct that shitty slop-generation software cannot be sentient tho.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Yes, it’s in the dictionary with all of the other widely accepted definitions in the English language.

    Would you like a hyperlink or would you prefer to remain ignorant?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 14 hours ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago

    It's up to $2 trillion now? Where's Dr. Evil when you need him?

  • source
  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    I'd be surprised if this IPO reaches its target.

  • source
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 23 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    It will not. And might be the start of the bubble bursting here in the States.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    If the AI bubble burst as some say it might, it will probably have global implications.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    And you know its gonna be normal people like you and me paying for it and not the people responsible. The companies will close, people will lose their jobs, but the ceos and all will just move on to the next grift

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Its beyond the point of “might”

    What goes up must come down

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Except hard drive and RAM prices...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    Well, RAM probably wont immediately come down because the type pf RAM all of the fabricators have been making doesnt work for conventional computers.

    Hard Drive prices on the other hand, particularly HDD prices, will plummet once the repo mem start clearing out the data centers and trying to recoup some of their foolish investment.

    I bought a 20TB HDD in March of this year (7 months ago) for ~$300. That same drive today is being sold for $1,137 (if you’re lucky enough to find one).

    That is not a viable price point if the manufacturers are at all interested in selling more hard drives in the future.

    Especially once the HDD supply skyrockets as the mega datacenters are inevitably stripped for their components.

    Edit to add: hopefully all of the workstations that need to be cleaned out of all of the Slop manufacturing planta have some decent RAM in them, i would like an upgrade.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    As fund manager Wang ​Zhuo told Reuters, “All bubbles inevitably burst.”

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment