I think taxes should be based on a 5-year rolling average, to ease the burden for people who have high income only once in their life. Winning the lottery or patenting an invention that makes you rich is the American dream. Let's tax high earners but show some lenience for folks who have a once in a lifetime windfall.

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[–] 1 point 1 hour ago

I agree this is, and should be, an unpopular opinion.

If I get some money for doing nothing, a windfall, then getting half of it is still me getting free money.

If I work for ten years to get the same amount, shouldn't I pay less in taxes? I spent my time and effort making that money.

Usually anyone who gets rich quick either ripped people off, inherited or won money and I would tax anything unearned at a higher rate than earned.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 days ago*

    Lottery winnings in Canada are tax free. Only the earnings from investing it is taxed according to standard laws. It makes a lot of sense because the lottery itself is a form of taxation. The government already got their cut from the tickets purchased by everyone.

    In the US you pay the players tax, then you get taxed on the winnings, then you get taxed on income earned from investments.

    Meanwhile American billionaires pay next to nothing. What an uncivilized country.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    A rolling 5 year average would mean you'd be taxed overly heavily for years after a windfall.

    Given that winning the lotto is often financially disasterous, getting taxed heavily after you've already blown the cash could cripple people at their weakest point. Making the lottery more appealing is also a net loss to society.

    It opens another potential avenue for tax avoidance schemes to game.

    Getting rich quick almost always requires doing something awful. If it just required hardwork or smarts, plenty people got that. We should absolutely not encourage people to aim for once in a lifetime "get rich quick" payoffs.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    You'd be in a lower tax bracket for the year that you won. If it bumped up your tax bracket the following few years, it would still be beneficial because you'd have saved a lot the first year. I don't know though, this isn't really an idea about finance or taxes, I just don't think it's right that someone who makes a million once gets taxed the same as someone who makes a million every year for 40 years.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    still be beneficial because you'd have saved a lot the first year

    You'd be taxed less when you already have a lot, but it's common for people to blow a windfall and end up much worse off, so being taxed more heavily years later could be really devasting for many.

    just don't think it's right

    I can understand wanting to see some lucky shmuck maximize their winnings. But i think it would seem almost cruel to adjust for this one rare situation when so many more significant financial injustices exist.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    Winning the lottery? Honestly we should be trying to find ways to DISCOURAGE people from playing if anything.

    An invention that makes you rich? If it is a physical good you will probably not see significant net income for a couple year anyways as you need to establish the supply chain, the distribution chain, the marketing, etc. For intellectual property you could maybe make an argument.

    Inheritance? Heck no, it shod.be taxed more heavily. That encourages wealthy people to start giving their wealth to their children BEFORE they die, spreading it out over years. Which means they can spend it a bit sooner.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    Yes, let's complicate taxes even more.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    It shouldn't matter how complicated they are because the government should just bill me.

    They should know how much I owe and just tell me

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I for one am looking forward to those people that get lucky once having much higher tax rates for years afterwards, instead of just paying once up front. There's no way that'll have negative consequences and leave people with hard feelings about the whole thing.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 days ago* (1 child)

    If you have a lower tax rate on a million and a higher tax rate on years where you earn, say $20,000 you keep a lot more than if you have a higher tax rate on the million and lower on the years you earn $20,000

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    Upvote because the opinion is unpopular. And I disagree.

    If you haven't noticed why the world is shitty right now, look up and learn about what 1% are doing with their money and wealth.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    The top end high earners will just restructure their pay so that they get paid a big bonus once a decade or longer.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    But similarly if you earn a lot in one year you could restructure it to spread it across several years. I just don't think you should have to do that.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    Tax really isn't the issue here, tax is only significant to you because of wage theft. If the rich weren't hoarding wealth and people had adequate income, you would be earning a lot more and the tax you pay you'd care less about. Unless you're one of them greedy treasure dragons

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Winning the lottery is not the American dream. Stop playing if you want to win.

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    only for loterry winners, get rich quick schemes involve other things besides lotteries.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (11 children)

    Rich people already pay less tax (through shenanigans). The source of the wealth is irrelevant.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    Top 1% in the US pays 40% of all income tax and top 10% pays 70% while the bottom 50% pays 3.3%

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    The bottom 50% holds 2.3% of the wealth. So if your 3.3% is correct then that would say they are paying at least 43% to much.

    We shouldn't be taxing basic necessities, we should be taxing things that accrue wealth.

    If someone owns a shabby house and their income only makes ends meet they should be paying nothing in taxes.

    If you want those people to pay more taxes, the wealth needs to be spread to those groups so that wealth can be taxed.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Different argument. The implicit narrative here is that the rich don't pay taxes when in reality they pay almost all the taxes. If you want them to pay even more then that's fair but the reality is that most people don't have the faintest clue what the actual numbers are to begin with.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    It's only a different argument because you want it to be. You're selectively choosing which percentages you want in the argument, and which ones not. I'm not that versed in the different logical fallacies, but I guess this is a straw man fallacy? Atleast, that's one of the strategies I get for this fallacy; oversimplifying an argument, and then attacking this argument.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    How much is that in percentages of their income, disregarding artificially deflated incomes of the rich?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago* (4 children)

    Why do you think that matters more than how much they contribute?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Your question is tied to the idea that their contribution is only contrived of their income taxes, and ignores the fact that 2 people working the same hours contributing the same amount don't receive the same income.

    If you want equal contributions from all income taxes them you would have to have equal pay for all jobs.

    "But my job contributes more to society". No it doesn't.

    The doctor needs a roof just like the roofer needs a colonoscopy.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 days ago*

    “But my job contributes more to society”. No it doesn’t.

    It literally, mathematically, does if their wage is higher. Even if there were no tax progression, they pay more taxes, which the society uses.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Because the bottom 50% couldn't pay 40% of all income tax, they'd have a negative net income. That's why tax brackets exist, once your basic needs are met you can contribute more to society as a whole. It sucks to pay more if you're earning above median, but it's the cost of living in a society.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Definitely unpopular. The trouble is, why not just leave the country the year of the windfall?

    By the time the heavier tax is due, you're nowhere to be found.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Companies do it, so why not.

    Where I live, we do have the option to register a longer tax form for this. It's mostly used by farmers who are not really businesses, but also not salaried. Most of their income comes from "secondary income", such as sales. It gives private persons the option to deduct expenses from their secondary income and to postpone the taxes over 3 years, so they can utilize losses from one year in the next or hold back some taxable income for potential future losses. Just like businesses, except businesses can postpone taxes for more years and have more deductible costs.

    Specifically for lottery winnings, these are "tax free", so it doesn't fuck people's regular income statements. The lottery instead pays a tax based on all their payouts, so the tax man still gets his share, but it makes no difference to the individual winners. Much easier to handle for everyone. You win a million, you get a million. That it cost the lottery 1.2 million to pay out is irrelevant for the players.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    can just do a wealth tax or maybe rate based on total wealth. under a mil in assets and no tax on your earnings but 10% above a mil and 20% above 2 mil and 30% above 5mil and 40% above 10 mil and 50% above 20 mil and 60% above 50mil and 70% above 100mil and 80% above 200mil and 90% above 500mil and above a bil you start paying on total assets starting at 10% and going up 10% until you get to paying 90% of total worth every year. should hopefully keep every one below a bil.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Nope! Pay for a good tax accountant or pay up.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (3 children)

    Lottery isn't taxed in Canada.

    And even if it was, that's good.

    Anyone who gets rich should pay more taxes. Period. The richer, the more taxes you pay. That's it.

    Give back to the society that allowed you to get rich quick.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    So if someone earns a million dollars once in their life, that million should be taxed at the same rate as a person who earns a million dollars every year of their life? I disagree

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Good for you, I'm glad you aleady recognize your opinion is unpopular. Maybe you'd be happier with a wealth tax instead of an income tax, where they look at the grand total of everything you own instead of what you brought in recently.

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