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[–] 213 points 3 days ago (40 children)

There is only one correct answer: stop using Facebook

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  • [–] 48 points 3 days ago (24 children)

    after years of saying this, i gave up. people have integrated facebook into their lives to the degree that saying "delete facebook" is pretty much the same as saying "cut your own balls off." they won't do it, no matter if they even acknowledge facebook sucks and is a waste of time. that's rare, though. usually it's "i can't leave facebook, i would lose contact with everyone!" same shit with twitter, instagram, ticktock, snapchat--all that bullshit

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    The reality is you only lose contact with people who don't matter enough anymore. When I left around 15 years ago I reached out to those I wanted to keep in touch with and made sure I had their number. Anyone else if they looked hard enough could find me elsewhere if they wanted, or already had means to contact me directly. Most did not.

    But guess what? My relationships with people are deeper. It's been wildly positive for me. The only issue I had at the time was missing out on events from acquaintances, but that's not an issue anymore with alternative apps

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  • [–] 11 points 3 days ago

    For me, gradually gathering other contacts methods for my close friends and family. And then eventually permanently delete Facebook -- no need for data or whatever, it was mostly garbage anyways.

    Same process with changing email providers.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    I remember when the backlash to Xitter was pretty high, culturally. I asked why our company was still using Xitter.

    Crickets. And even after he gave the Nazi salute, still no change.

    The answer is - "that's where everyone is". They aren't wrong. The network effect sucks.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Meh. “That’s where everyone is” it’s more like that’s where all the bots and algorithmic gatekeeping are. I get way more engagement on mastodon than I ever did on twitter post-2012 algorithm shakeup. Before the algorithmic censorship, I got lots of engagement on twitter. But that twitter hasn’t existed for a long time. When I got on mastodon it was like oh. The algorithm is the entire problem. No wonder OWS and the Arab spring were so big. No wonder the algorithms came after them.

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    [–] 17 points 2 days ago* (3 children)

    Why wouldn't they, Suckerberg already bent the knee and kissed the ring. This was an investment by him and these rallies are reducing the value of his investment so he is doing all in his power to slow them down. This has been the identical behaviour of large corporations since world word II when they saluted Nazis because they thought Nazis were going to win.

    The best answer is to reduce/stop your usage of websites like facebook and shitter. Yeah I know there is still whatsapp, instagram, google services, android phones etc etc And as they acquire more and more of social media, it becomes hard for a particular individual to completely get off the services these companies provide. But you can pick your battles and atleast remove those which are not really essential to your day to day life.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Suckerberg already bent the knee and kissed the ring

    Facebook has always served right wing agendas. long before trump ever came around.

    conservatives have always gotten the soft hand, while any liberal rule breakers have gotten the iron fist.

    and the reason is simple.

    Conservatives are idiots. They click all the links, they watch all the ads, and they generate magnitudes more money than liberals with their adblockers and their inability to believe every bullshit propaganda fad.

    I'd wager if they thought they'd get away with it, they'd just straight up ban anyone thats not a die hard conservative, not for any political agenda, but for the pure monetary exploitation.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 child)

    I think this time is different though. Previously it was working in concert with people who tried to keep the atrocities behind the curtains and pretended to slap facebook on the wrist when they bent the rules. So everything was somewhat concealed in a facade of a justice system that seemed to care. And tech companies played their part by pretending to care. That did slow things down for tech oligarchs to some extent. They had to navigate their way through the justice system to make sure they still didn't end up in a legal tangle.

    Now Trump comes, he openly expresses the fact he doesn't give a single shit about any kind of law and is intent on ruling the country like a thug and distort the law for this purpose too. He gives a mandate to every tech company "support me and you can run rampant without even pretending to care about the law, or don't and perish because I will use the said law to completely destroy you". And I think none of us were surprised when every big tech kissed the ring because this was their wet dream.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    yeah, it was their wet dream because pandering to conservatism has always been a money maker. Its why every social media ever has always given wristslaps to conservatives for major rule violations, while liberal users get bans for minor infractions.

    Cause conservatives as their bread and butter money makers. Always have been, Always will be. Nothing has changed except for how openly they parade their preferential treatment.

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  • [–] 90 points 2 days ago (17 children)

    It blows me away when I meet leftist activists who refuse to stop using corporate social media. The common refrain is "its where everyone is" or "no one uses [insert any decentralized and federated service]".

    You cannot liberate yourself, or the rest of society, when you actively use the tools of your oppressors.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Look, I agree for the most part. Fuck FB and X and all the rest to hell. But organizers know that you need the most people you can get to have a chance of making a difference. That means you use every tool available for outreach. I've seen protests organized entirely on non-corporate platforms and they are... Small. You don't see those in the news and people driving by generally ignore them. If you can get the hype going through tiktok or facebook or whatever and get hundreds of people on board you can bring attention and make a difference. Now something I've seen done is using them to pull more people and then moving those people to decentralized options.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago

    Then funnel them onto the fediverse from corporate social media, as you mentioned. The house is on fire, get them out of it.

    Educate people (campaigns), organize tech workshops showing people how to use the other tools, set up local servers that can be used for organizing existing groups. Frame corporate social media as part of the data center problem... There's so many ways to approach it but as long as you keep using those tools, you will never carry through with getting people onto the fediverse. You can never just move them to decentralized spaces if not enough people use it, so use it (I know you are already though as we're here :)

    Change is hard. But global climate collapse and WW3 are far worse options.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Yes, lets just leave all plattforms where we can get a bit of public reach and remove our ability to respond to people talking about us.

    Online propaganda gets more necessary every day and leaving mainstream platforms just destroys any capability for it. Use smaller less controlled platforms for people already on your side but the only way to reach the average people will be on stuff like Instagram as long as it stays popular.

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    [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Meta appeared to take down a social media account

    Meta didn't "appear" to take down the social media account, Meta took down the social media account.

    It's not magic.

    You see the same thing here, on Reddit, in forums, they always convince themselves that they're doing the "right thing" whilst doing the wrong thing.

    I'm guessing that opponents of "No Kings" mass reported.

    A good post/group should piss people off. But mobs gonna mob so mods gonna mod

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  • [–] 20 points 2 days ago* (3 children)

    You demand answers? The answer is pretty obvious: Zuck wants there to be a king.

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  • Mark is not someone who particularly enjoys travel or, in fact, people. And I know he’s hoping to have another baby in 2017, so this doesn’t make any sense as a personal challenge. “Are there any states in particular you want to go to?” I ask tentatively. “Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania.” Ugh. The traditional stops for presidential candidates.

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    [–] 76 points 3 days ago* (3 children)

    They're not the only ones.

    Reddit stole the r/NoKings subreddit and has locked it out. They claim it's up for adoption as of 5-months-ago but will of course never cede it to the organizers of No King's.

    ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN etc., have barely mentioned it, and it doesn't remotely come up in Google News save for a sparse few pages of local news stories.

    The only good news from representing my area is that while the protest was half the size of past ones, general support from people on the road was much higher with much less dissent.

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  • [–] 93 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    'We demand answers'???? Are you joking???

    Zuckerberg is practically glued to trump side like a fashion accessory.

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    [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    Fediverse for freedom!

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  • [–] 61 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    There were protests all over my city yesterday and I can find barely any coverage. I even looked at Reddit, which was flooded with No Kings pictures back in March, and there was barely anything for the events yesterday. Definitely sus as hell.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    This is why protest has to be disruptive. A bunch of people holding funny signs in a park on a Saturday afternoon doesn't have an impact.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 days ago

    It connects people with like minded people who also decided to show up so from a networking and community building perspective it's not worthless. Lots of people meet the contacts that will later recruit them to knock on doors or phone bank or run for office in the future who would never show up to a town meeting or city council meeting.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Sure it does. People build networks at these events. One of the tactics of fascism is to make dissenters feel they are alone and maybe crazy for feeling the way they do. These events tell people that they are not alone, and it is actually the authoritarians that are crazy, not them.

    For a non-violent resistance campaign to succeed, you need to build up the numbers and reach a threshold of people working together to impede the actions of the authoritarians. You don't accomplish this by engaging in violent actions, that just scares people away and gives justification for the authoritarians to do violent reprisals. Violent acts actually help the authoritarians gain more power, non-violent resistance drains their power.

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    [–] 61 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    The answer appears self evident. Don’t use Meta and that includes INSTAGRAM.

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    [–] 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Meta is a national security threat.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 days ago

    Oh random election rules that changed all at once?

    It's like 2024 again. This is part of the reason so many of us are here on Lemmy or BlueSky or whatever, we need to figure out alternative means of discussion.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Yeah, anyone surprised the empire strikes back? Come on the Brain rit app is gonna get political

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago

    This is pretty awesome. It will force people to use platforms that are ACTUALLY secure, like Signal.

    Meta, in conjunction with the US government, is going to make it harder to surveil protesters. How elegant!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    A mere blip. You don't think the whole "No Kings" folks are stupid enough to just rely on Facebook, do you? Only trump and his minions would be that stupid, but they're stupid for truth social and old twitter.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago

    I would have thought the answers would be self-evident.

    Meta/Facebook has literally had political dissidents killed in other countries. Do not think they will hesitate to do the same in their own. Specifically, they gave up GPS/location information on dissidents trying to work together against the government. They were killed. Facebook knew exactly what would happen to them and could have told the dictator to pound sand, but then they might not be allowed to operate there.

    Don't use popular social media like Facebook, X, Reddit, or Discord for any kind of protest. They will always bend the knee to the 'kings' you're protesting against. Every fucken time.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago

    This is the very least shocking thing about Tech Bros. I remember laughing right in the face of someone that told me they had to be on Parler because "Big Tech" was so liberal that they kept canceling conservatives and shadow banning them, etc.

    I asked what kinds of "conservative" things they were posting on "Big Tech" that supposedly resulted in that?

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