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Imma be real with you: I don't like Realos and he's one of them. Yes the Ampel was better than the current coalition, but that's a very low bar.
His views on the Bundeswehr are questionable though. Militarization sadly isn't that cute
We could've had Habeck :(
Instead we got lying Mr Burns who thinks we German have a humiliation fetish or something.
Well, he's not a politician any longer.
whaaaaaat? nooooooo >o< NOOOOOO ;(((((( nonoooooooo oh no so sad nooooo i want him back, i want Robert Habeck in politics, i want him to say stuff i want him to show up and say hi and i want him to do those politics talks and such and ....
that's really really sad. huge disappointment. i want my Robert Habeck as chancellor NOW, even if he's not even doing politics anymore-- i just want him right there, where everyone can see him...
*Pat-pat* I know, I know … *pats again* I really know *sighs*.
thank you.... that.. is really sad.
he'd be... such a guy. such a guy to vote for. peeps are gonna vote for extremes i think, so that's plenty of left/green and AfD votes i believe.
but imagine the greens had Habeck back. like - that'd be SUCH a seller for that party. we have so few politicians that seem human today so... having someone like him would be so nice. i need him to pat my schMerz away... but your pets are also nice, thank you very much <3
He's also a Zionist
Zionism has two different meanings in how Germans use the word.
- The state of Israel has a right to exist.
- Israel has the right to be a jewish apartheids-ethnostate that actively controls it's non-jewish population.
Habeck falls firmly in the first category and stands firmly against the second one. He called the "Settlers" terrorists and heavily criticized the Israeli government. He called out brutality and that the Netanyahu government has created a different Israel than the one Germany should support.
He says the necessity exists for a state where jews can live in safety, that is a far cry from "Israel should be a jewish state".
They're the same thing.
If Israel is not #2, then what is it? A liberal democracy where all have equal rights? A country that allows Arabs to become the majority population? That allows them not just freedom of movement and basic human rights but also to hold positions of influence in government, industry, and culture?
At that point a country that operates in that way might be called Isreal but has a fundamentally different identity and purpose from the country that exists today. At that point does it make sense for the flag to continue to have a Star of David on it?
In what way does Israel preserve its "right to exist" if not through being an apartheid ethnostate?
Uhh oh, no, I haven't answered within 9 hours, please excuse me for having a job and sleeping.
I'm thinking dude. Fitz has made some good points and I don't want to brush that off, so now I'm thinking about his arguments, formulating my own opinion, formulating and double-checking my own arguments and all that while I'm at my day job. So PISS OFF with that crickets shit back to the .ml-Sever you crawled from!
Demanding a quick answer is not the measure of a great intellect OR of a good argument. People need to take their time and think instead of just screaming at each other.
Edit: Sorry I snapped. Just... give me some time dude, life's happening at the same time.
Glad to see that your differentiation here is rather been up-, than downvoted. Thanks for speaking up!
I think the topic attracted mainly feddit.org users and most of us still know what nuance means and how Israel and Zionism are discussed in the german speaking world. shrug
But yes, I am glad too, because I have been heavily downvoted in the past on that topic. And while downvotes can be a good indicator of if one has a shittake, sometimes the purity-testing of my fellow lemmings just completely throws nuance out the window.
Well, I believe too that Israel, in general, has a right to exist (though not to break its own laws or to harm others for the sake of it, as its current far right government does) and hence have been called a Zionist too.
He is cute.
But when you're ecologist and Nikolas Stihl says you're one of the good ones, that means that you aren't.
Yes, but... He was the best we had in higher political circles. Did he and Annalena crush the Fundis and move the Greens slightly to the right? Yes, they did and we should hold them accountable for that. We should also never fear to point out their failures, like you did here. But we should absolutely rally behind him when the alternative looks like Merz or even worse... like the Alt-Right-ernative.
ngl i'm always miffed when people don't even consider the actual left (you know, the party that's literally called that and now shitty sarah has also left!) as an option and use it as an excuse to vote in some other corpo tool ):
I do understand it though… Die Linke is a direct successor to the SED and their members constantly came up with phenomenally stupid ideas as well, just different flavour (cuddled with Russia until recently, wanted to leave NATO…). Though they might be way more votable now that Sarah and her minions left.
Probably a generational divide with this topic as well. Someone remembering the Cuba crisis and growing up in the whole red scare thingy is probably more inclined to write off Die Linke as extremists.
Unfortunately the alternatives are all pretty corpo, including Die Grünen…
i mean fair enough for the older generation, but i'm assuming most people on here would be under 40?
also is anyone actually pro russia left now? worst divide is probably wether they support palestine or bury their heads in the sand about it afaik? i guess the oldies will soon retire as well :fingerscrossed:
Yeah I'm a social democrat, that's why I'm voting for The Greens or The Left and explicitly not for the stirrup holders of the SPD.


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