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It's a liberal cesspool full of people who refuse to listen when you speak. I explained how the SMO in Russia was justified going all the way back to fucking WWII and Stepan Bandera to Russia not wanting Ukraine in NATO and some dickhead told me to "tOuCH gRaSS". Didn't even address any of my points, just that "dEnAziFIcaTioN iSnT a gOoD rEasOn, iT's aS bAd aS wMDs".

Fucking moron. I hate that fucking place so fucking much.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Good on you. I left Reddit when they locked Genzedong and i never looked back. It is such a breath of fresh air to be free of that toxic cesspit. It's not just the regular users who are awful, the mods are even worse, and the entire site is heavily controlled by three letter agency employes.

As to their "argument" against the SMO, it is totally moronic. Denazification is the best conceivable reason for starting a military operation. No sane country should tolerate a militarized Nazi regime on their border.

Also there's the little detail that the "WMDs" were a lie while the Nazification of Ukraine was so obvious even the western media were writing about it, and they are still forced to address it because every time they take a photo of Kiev regime soldiers - surprise, suprise! - there is some swastika, iron cross or SS badge that the western media need to twist themselves into knots to handwave away or justify.

And it's not just the Nazi problem and the NATO issue, far too many people omit what is probably THE main reason for why Russia HAD to intervene when they did, namely the eight year long war waged by the Kiev Nazis on the people of the Donbass.

However this, just like arguments about Nazis and NATO expansion, is pointless to bring up when talking to Redditors and will just fall on deaf ears because they do not view Russians and pro-Russian East Ukrainians as human, nor will they ever acknowledge that Russia has a right to have national security concerns and vital interests, let alone a right to act to address these when the West refuses to take them seriously.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also there's the little detail that the "WMDs" were a lie while the Nazification of Ukraine was so obvious even the western media were writing about it, and they are still forced to address it because every time they take a photo of Kiev regime soldiers - surprise, suprise! - there is some swastika, iron cross or SS badge that the western media need to twist themselves into knots to handwave away or justify.

The gaslighting never ends. I have had people badgering me over this war and yet they couldn't even cite the official Russian reasons for the war, despite being incredibly "savvy" on all "secret" objectives.

Reddit has been only getting worse since 2015 when r/politics became the dominant force. I gave up after the admins literally did a coup on even slightly leftwing subs like r/presidentialracememes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's seriously astounding how little needs to be done to propagate lies here. Like, people often fearmonger about government censorship and algorithmic suppression, and those things ARE problems don't get me wrong, but people waaaaaaay overestimate how much it takes to dupe them.

I mean, you can just search "Ukraine" on any search engine and filter out results from 2022 onwards to get articles that blatantly contradict what's being published today. It doesn't take an elaborate scheme to spread disinformation... It doesn't even take consistency...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Fighting for "freedom of the press" has been a liberal capitalist fight since the beginnings of the printing press. They believe that just because their ideas are banned that they'll cease to exist, probably because they require enforcement from the law and state in the first place. And yet they think themselves to be "following human nature."

Everyone knows very well why. Because the publication of a newspaper is a big and profitable capitalist undertaking in which the rich invest millions upon millions of rubles. “Freedom of the press” in bourgeois society means freedom for the rich systematically, unremittingly, daily, in millions of copies, to deceive, corrupt and fool the exploited and oppressed mass of the people, the poor.

This is the simple, generally known, obvious truth which everyone sees and realises but which “almost everyone” “bashfully” passes over in silence, timidly evades.

from our boy Lenin

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

"Big country invade small country" is quite literally their only understanding of the conflict. They actively dismiss any sort of explanations, because they have to maintain the illusion.

It's hard because on one hand I understand that no one is immune to propaganda, so I'm inclined to not blame them for it, but what am I supposed to do if they refuse to listen? It's just too much for my mental health sometimes, I just get so frustrated.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your mistake was trying to ask for a reasonable view of Russian government's action. To the average redditoid, nothing Russia does is ever justified in any way. Fighting terrorists? "That's just an excuse to persecute minorities and national liberation!" Fighting Nazis? "Akschually Russia is real Nazis!"

Russian government been doing lot of aping from the west, and these types universally condemn it, without a hint of self reflection. If tomorrow Putin completely withdraws from Ukraine, dissolves the federation and puts pentagon in charge of the Russian military (cough south Korea), they'll still find something to blame.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That Russiagate op really got people believing Russia is the USSR again. Like literally for years it has continuously been demonized just for existing. I'm aware that it's not a worker's state and deserves criticism for its reactionary tendencies, but nuance isn't something that seems to exist when talking about things like geopolitics, which isn't a fucking Marvel movie.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're not allowed to separate the analytical process from picking a side. If your analysis doesn't confirm that you should unequivocally support the 'good guys', you must've erred in your reasoning.

Unfortunately this logic permeates every Western institution. Analysis is subjugated to liberalism. Coming to conclusions that do not support the status quo is dangerous shit. It puts your livelihood at serious risk.

That, and the lack of any critical self reflection, never raising the question, 'If my analysis keeps leading to conclusions that do not coincide with reality, is reality wrong or my thought process?'

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

This.

I'm not a citizen of the settler empire, I'm a subject. So to me the illusion was never strong enough for me to vehemently defend it. I never understood the Amerikan worship of itself because they claimed to be #1 and the best...but at what?

I eventually came to realize I had no loyalty for this country that enslaved my people and took our land, and eventually arrived at being an ML when I realized my heroes, the BPP, were also MLs.

I honestly feel like understanding historical materialism is what helped me understand geopolitics the most, but that requires a critical understanding of how things have gone in the past, without the filter of the West to dilute the information.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

17 libs are mad that I'm right 🤷🏿‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

You're just repeating what he said?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

The death of 3rd party clients was the final nail in the coffin for me

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reddit sucks, but we also have to resist the impulse to write the masses off and retreat into our own groups. While material conditions are a huge driver of peoples' politics, propaganda works, conversations can change minds, and ultimately we have to bring a lot more people around to socialism before we realize any of the changes we hope to see.

Your pipeline left needs to start where people are, and where people are is shitty corporate social media.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Reddit is not a very good place to start trying to radicalize people. Go outside, talk to real people, they are more receptive than online dibshits most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll let more capable people do that then. I don't have the mental capacity for it anymore, I've been doing this shit since leftbook back in 2016 and just being on social media gives me anxiety.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

You can radicalize people IRL too.

The lemmy fediverse seems to be paying attention to us so, i don't think we are completely walling ourselves off.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As soon as the writing and worldbuilding scene matures on Lemmy I'm out of that corporate hellhole. It's literally the only subreddit I still regularly participate in.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I kept thinking about reasons to stay but after realizing that I have none I just deleted the app. I'm so tired. The only thing I might miss are the saved posts but I'll live, I can always get the information here.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really didn't mean for this to blow up like it did, I was just venting 😔

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I think it's a sentiment a lot of us have dealt with. Which is why it blew up, it's relatable.

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