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Good on you. I left Reddit when they locked Genzedong and i never looked back. It is such a breath of fresh air to be free of that toxic cesspit. It's not just the regular users who are awful, the mods are even worse, and the entire site is heavily controlled by three letter agency employes.
As to their "argument" against the SMO, it is totally moronic. Denazification is the best conceivable reason for starting a military operation. No sane country should tolerate a militarized Nazi regime on their border.
Also there's the little detail that the "WMDs" were a lie while the Nazification of Ukraine was so obvious even the western media were writing about it, and they are still forced to address it because every time they take a photo of Kiev regime soldiers - surprise, suprise! - there is some swastika, iron cross or SS badge that the western media need to twist themselves into knots to handwave away or justify.
And it's not just the Nazi problem and the NATO issue, far too many people omit what is probably THE main reason for why Russia HAD to intervene when they did, namely the eight year long war waged by the Kiev Nazis on the people of the Donbass.
However this, just like arguments about Nazis and NATO expansion, is pointless to bring up when talking to Redditors and will just fall on deaf ears because they do not view Russians and pro-Russian East Ukrainians as human, nor will they ever acknowledge that Russia has a right to have national security concerns and vital interests, let alone a right to act to address these when the West refuses to take them seriously.
The gaslighting never ends. I have had people badgering me over this war and yet they couldn't even cite the official Russian reasons for the war, despite being incredibly "savvy" on all "secret" objectives.
Reddit has been only getting worse since 2015 when r/politics became the dominant force. I gave up after the admins literally did a coup on even slightly leftwing subs like r/presidentialracememes.
It's seriously astounding how little needs to be done to propagate lies here. Like, people often fearmonger about government censorship and algorithmic suppression, and those things ARE problems don't get me wrong, but people waaaaaaay overestimate how much it takes to dupe them.
I mean, you can just search "Ukraine" on any search engine and filter out results from 2022 onwards to get articles that blatantly contradict what's being published today. It doesn't take an elaborate scheme to spread disinformation... It doesn't even take consistency...
Fighting for "freedom of the press" has been a liberal capitalist fight since the beginnings of the printing press. They believe that just because their ideas are banned that they'll cease to exist, probably because they require enforcement from the law and state in the first place. And yet they think themselves to be "following human nature."
from our boy Lenin
"Big country invade small country" is quite literally their only understanding of the conflict. They actively dismiss any sort of explanations, because they have to maintain the illusion.
It's hard because on one hand I understand that no one is immune to propaganda, so I'm inclined to not blame them for it, but what am I supposed to do if they refuse to listen? It's just too much for my mental health sometimes, I just get so frustrated.