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[–] 2 points 58 minutes ago

Well yeah, millennials also severely delayed and fuck all has been done to improve things. Add in a few pandemic school years on top of it

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  • [–] 12 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    Just Gen Z? I'm an elder Millennial and I feel like I'm doing this right now.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 hours ago

    Yes, Gen Z "is doing that"... It's them actively doing that... That's how we are writing the headline, inferring choice or preference... Not, "Gen Z can't have milestones" not "The Epstein class ate all of Gen Z's deserved, basic, human milestones" no... Gen Z is delaying.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Life milestone should be violent revolution. Otherwise nothing will change.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    It seems more and more likely that the violent revolution we are gonna get is a Night of broken glass. Just targeting trans people and other queers instead of Jews.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago

    I know I'll probably never not live with family.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago

    These are seeds of fascism, right there. Numbers like these are mutually exclusive with democracy.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    The essential struggle is a class struggle, not a generational one. The billionaires love it when we blame boomers, Zoomers, Xers, etc., instead of blaming billionaires.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    My cousin and his wife want kids but they're both almost thirty and there's no way they can afford children any time soon. I feel so bad for them because with how life is going for them, it's not looking like they'll be able to be parents. I'm not parent.aterial and the thought of being a parent disgusts me, but it is heartbreaking to the people I care about not being able to achieve their dream of starting a family

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  • [–] 15 points 11 hours ago

    It was hard enough as a millennial getting to the point I'm at and it's still not easy. I feel very bad for Gen Z. They're getting fucked over

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  • [–] 75 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    Not surprised. My wife and I make more money than we ever have and I feel like everything is out of reach. Inflation is through the roof. And wages haven't come close to keeping up. We're fortunate both of us make mid $20 an hour.

    For someone starting out I have no idea how they could manage. If I was starting out today straight from highschool I'd most likely be homeless

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  • [–] 35 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    You know you read things like this and you don’t have to spend much time working out what’s wrong

    I was earning mid twenties in warehouses in the 1990s

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    [–] 21 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

    Or maybe just questioning if there's any point in achieving them at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    I feel this so often these days. Too many older people I’ve known over the years have gotten fucked over even after putting in all the work to make it… why even try when you’ll fail anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    Tell me about it. It's like I learned so many skills and I can't keep up with the curve. Programming, web design, animation, 3D design, audio, video, photography, pretty much every physical art like painting, electrical engineering, the list goes on. I think I'm stuck repairing things and being a career college student for the rest of my life since by the time I finish a degree, some wanker ruins the job market. Someone always needs to have something fixed but I'm tired, my hands and back are toast and I haven't even gotten to 40.

    It was funny when one of my professors told me if you're going to want to be a news journalist photographer, I shadowed him a bit in college, you better learn how to use a video camera and edit as well. He had a pretty good point, that's basically a prediction of what more or less streamers and content creators are, well except the content is usually not very good.

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    [–] 5 points 9 hours ago*

    They gonna have to rethink what a life milestone even is, just like many of the millenials are finally, really accepting.

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  • [–] 48 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Are they actually surprised?
    Even the previous generation were delaying and skipping milestones.
    Pikachu face: late stage capitalism.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago* (1 child)

    I’m firmly in the millennial camp in my mid thirties and I have two pairs of couple friends who’ve had kids. It could absolutely be my friends circle, but most of us are in the trades or have advanced degrees (most of the people who went the college route also have more than a bachelor’s, because that alone wasn’t enough to get a job) and we just can’t make it work. Many of them want kids, but they want to be able to provide for them first, so they’re just waiting

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I was in the waiting camp so long I expired. Technically I could still have a kid(?) - but don't want to be 60+ at a graduation party.
    Just make sure you won't regret of the decision / indecision and you will be okay.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    That’s the thing: if you really want kids, you’ll regret not having them. If you really want kids and have them without being able to afford feeding and clothing them, you’ll regret that even more.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    I see so many people with kids - if they can make it work...
    The point is for children you will sacrifice your current lifestyle. No leisure time, double shifts, insane expenses.

    We all want the ideal: you work 8 hours go home and be with the family, while the other parental unit took care of everything - then you go to a move; every weekend you watch a ball game - go out to dinner every once a while, get new clothes once a while, take vacations every year.
    But it won't happen.

    There is a reason why most romantic fiction shows one party as independently wealthy. No one wants to see the overtime shifts and gig economy - and being one paycheck away from being homeless, doesn't create romantic feelings.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help.

    Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person.

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  • [–] 12 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    As a kid I heard people talk about how Japanese culture was being destroyed because they're overworked, and how they didn't really have a way out of it politically. I always thought that would be us eventually. I didn't know how true that was until now. The only way out of this mess is through it, and people with money completely understand this.

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  • [–] 9 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

    The only way out is revolution, which begins with the people, mass class consciousness, and organized leadership that can help steer the movement in a positive direction. This is why grassroots organizations of disciplined workers are so critical, they can help us accomplish the tasks of educating, agitating, and organizing.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    It's not just labor organizing, although that's super important. Minorities, small communities, friend circles are all forming with the understanding we're stronger in numbers. I run a gay men's group that meets at least weekly, we've had about 200 guys join, gotten media coverage, gotten the attention of civil rights leaders and lawmakers already. I'm just a guy with some crude leadership skills, little time, and no money. But there are lots of people like me out there, pulling people together. Faith communities are leaning in so we can organize their people.

    You don't have to sit on the sidelines doomscrolling your life away. You can act, even if that's finding a community and joining it.

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  • [–] 13 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    The use of the term "milestone" or "goal" when the article talks about how these are neither for a growing percentage of the population is interesting.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 hours ago

    Gen Z, ripping off millenials again.

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