▲ 323 ▼ Experts say Gen Z is delaying life milestones due to affordability issues — and questioning whether they’re even achievable (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 21 hours ago by GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works to c/world@lemmy.world 79 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/51426878
[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 54 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Are they actually surprised? Even the previous generation were delaying and skipping milestones. Pikachu face: late stage capitalism. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) I’m firmly in the millennial camp in my mid thirties and I have two pairs of couple friends who’ve had kids. It could absolutely be my friends circle, but most of us are in the trades or have advanced degrees (most of the people who went the college route also have more than a bachelor’s, because that alone wasn’t enough to get a job) and we just can’t make it work. Many of them want kids, but they want to be able to provide for them first, so they’re just waiting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I was in the waiting camp so long I expired. Technically I could still have a kid(?) - but don't want to be 60+ at a graduation party. Just make sure you won't regret of the decision / indecision and you will be okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child) That’s the thing: if you really want kids, you’ll regret not having them. If you really want kids and have them without being able to afford feeding and clothing them, you’ll regret that even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I see so many people with kids - if they can make it work... The point is for children you will sacrifice your current lifestyle. No leisure time, double shifts, insane expenses. We all want the ideal: you work 8 hours go home and be with the family, while the other parental unit took care of everything - then you go to a move; every weekend you watch a ball game - go out to dinner every once a while, get new clothes once a while, take vacations every year. But it won't happen. There is a reason why most romantic fiction shows one party as independently wealthy. No one wants to see the overtime shifts and gig economy - and being one paycheck away from being homeless, doesn't create romantic feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help. Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 3 points 14 hours ago Just rhyming verses in the same song of decay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) I’m firmly in the millennial camp in my mid thirties and I have two pairs of couple friends who’ve had kids. It could absolutely be my friends circle, but most of us are in the trades or have advanced degrees (most of the people who went the college route also have more than a bachelor’s, because that alone wasn’t enough to get a job) and we just can’t make it work. Many of them want kids, but they want to be able to provide for them first, so they’re just waiting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I was in the waiting camp so long I expired. Technically I could still have a kid(?) - but don't want to be 60+ at a graduation party. Just make sure you won't regret of the decision / indecision and you will be okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child) That’s the thing: if you really want kids, you’ll regret not having them. If you really want kids and have them without being able to afford feeding and clothing them, you’ll regret that even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I see so many people with kids - if they can make it work... The point is for children you will sacrifice your current lifestyle. No leisure time, double shifts, insane expenses. We all want the ideal: you work 8 hours go home and be with the family, while the other parental unit took care of everything - then you go to a move; every weekend you watch a ball game - go out to dinner every once a while, get new clothes once a while, take vacations every year. But it won't happen. There is a reason why most romantic fiction shows one party as independently wealthy. No one wants to see the overtime shifts and gig economy - and being one paycheck away from being homeless, doesn't create romantic feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help. Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I was in the waiting camp so long I expired. Technically I could still have a kid(?) - but don't want to be 60+ at a graduation party. Just make sure you won't regret of the decision / indecision and you will be okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child) That’s the thing: if you really want kids, you’ll regret not having them. If you really want kids and have them without being able to afford feeding and clothing them, you’ll regret that even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I see so many people with kids - if they can make it work... The point is for children you will sacrifice your current lifestyle. No leisure time, double shifts, insane expenses. We all want the ideal: you work 8 hours go home and be with the family, while the other parental unit took care of everything - then you go to a move; every weekend you watch a ball game - go out to dinner every once a while, get new clothes once a while, take vacations every year. But it won't happen. There is a reason why most romantic fiction shows one party as independently wealthy. No one wants to see the overtime shifts and gig economy - and being one paycheck away from being homeless, doesn't create romantic feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help. Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child) That’s the thing: if you really want kids, you’ll regret not having them. If you really want kids and have them without being able to afford feeding and clothing them, you’ll regret that even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I see so many people with kids - if they can make it work... The point is for children you will sacrifice your current lifestyle. No leisure time, double shifts, insane expenses. We all want the ideal: you work 8 hours go home and be with the family, while the other parental unit took care of everything - then you go to a move; every weekend you watch a ball game - go out to dinner every once a while, get new clothes once a while, take vacations every year. But it won't happen. There is a reason why most romantic fiction shows one party as independently wealthy. No one wants to see the overtime shifts and gig economy - and being one paycheck away from being homeless, doesn't create romantic feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help. Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I see so many people with kids - if they can make it work... The point is for children you will sacrifice your current lifestyle. No leisure time, double shifts, insane expenses. We all want the ideal: you work 8 hours go home and be with the family, while the other parental unit took care of everything - then you go to a move; every weekend you watch a ball game - go out to dinner every once a while, get new clothes once a while, take vacations every year. But it won't happen. There is a reason why most romantic fiction shows one party as independently wealthy. No one wants to see the overtime shifts and gig economy - and being one paycheck away from being homeless, doesn't create romantic feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help. Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago We’re already working double shifts without leisure time, so there’s no slack to cut. That’s the problem. People who really want kids know that kids require sacrifice, that’s the one thing everyone talks about with kids. If you don’t have any more holes in the belt, trying to tighten it won’t help. Do those people with kids make it work, or are they doing their children a disservice by being emotionally and literally unavailable to them because they’re trying to make sure they don’t starve? I hope most of them make it work, but I know it’s not all of them. Unfortunately, crossing your fingers and hoping you’ll make it work doesn’t seem like a responsible choice to many of us when failure would so greatly impact an innocent person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 3 points 14 hours ago Just rhyming verses in the same song of decay. permalink fedilink source parent