You should see it this way: Look at our world. Look at the bad things. Look at the horrific things. God lets all those things happen AND he wants his dick sucked as if he doing jack shit is a good thing.
Go to hell. Be a rebel. Be proud of it.
You should see it this way: Look at our world. Look at the bad things. Look at the horrific things. God lets all those things happen AND he wants his dick sucked as if he doing jack shit is a good thing.
Go to hell. Be a rebel. Be proud of it.
When the Christian friend convinces you into religion, but it turns out God hates belief in false gods more than non-belief (you picked the wrong religion).
you picked the wrong religion
There is no way that most people didn't pick the correct religion. Even if all Christians were "correct" enough to get to heaven regardless of denomination, that still leaves 71%+ of the world who aren't Christians. And that is best case scenario as Christians are the largest religious group by population in the world currently. And even within the Christian community, there are plenty of in-groups and out-groups that consider one another to be cultish and blasphemy. No matter what you are betting, your chances aren't great and the majority of the world is still "wrong" and will face whatever consequences come with that fact.
Personally, I'm happy to just not believe rather than to force myself to conform to some oppressive dogma, dump my time and money into a church, and live with shame just to hedge my bets for what would still be bad odds anyway.
It always impresses me how Christianity = evangelicalism in the mind of most Lemmynauts. Outside evangelicalism (and even partly within evangelicalism), going to hell or heaven has nothing to do with being theologically correct or not. I mean, even the Catholic church, which is both by far the biggest one and absolutely not one of the most open ones states with an absolute clarity that non-Christians can go to heaven too.
Catholics do not believe that non-Christians go to heaven. Best case scenario, righteous unbelievers go to purgatory. Same with unbaptised babies.
Also, I grew up going to baptist and pentecostal churches. They 1000% do not think my atheist ass is getting into heaven no matter how righteous I am, even though I got baptized for that matter. Unless I repent at the 11th hour and "accept Jesus into my heart as my savior," anyway. There are certainly plenty denominations that are not all about preaching "hellfire for the unbeliever", but even plenty of those still believe that is true even if they're not boasting about it. There are some that allow for people to be saved through ignorance of Jesus (which makes missionary work kind of fucked up when you think about it that way). But even that is not the norm.
Jesus' sacrifice saving humanity from eternal damnation is a key tenet of nearly all denominations. And most of them also say that you need to actually accept it and turn your life over to him to qualify for the get out of Hell free card.
Source: 37 years of life in the Bible belt as both an active churchgoer and apostate.
There is only one guy who guessed correct religion after particularly vivid mushroom trip, but he's still in hell because he started doing correct things for the wrong motivation.
Someone elsewhere said if you need religion to be a good person you're just a bad person on a leash.
That is Christian doctrine. "The sinful nature of man." IOW in the evangelical world view, we all need that leash or we'd all be, well, like American evangelicals.
Imagine a club where you can rape and pillage your entire life, ask for forgiveness on your dying breath and you're in.
As long as you don't intend to ask for forgiveness in the first place
Right. You have to have genuine remorse. Still dumb though.
I dunno, I guess I think punitive justice is an inherently fucked up concept. When I was a kid, adults used to say two wrongs don't make a right. At first I thought they were full of shit, but as I grew older, I learned how horrible prisons are and how they don't make people better.
In Christianity, you have to mean it. People can't turn their beliefs on a dime like that, meaning it takes work. You have to have done the work. Anyone who's successfully sacrificing Jesus would basically be capable of giving a meaningful apology to the victims and rehabilitating themself.
Still, heaven isn't for Me. It's just not My aesthetic. When I die, I'm going to Ninuan.
When your friend convinced you to go to church and get molested and there is no God
Pikachu
Doesn't matter because that's the western Orthodox baptist second reformed heaven and you were a heathen western Orthodox baptist first reformed
Just pull the ole', "Look! A distraction!" and disappear into the billions-strong crowd stuck in the same boat.
Nazis, Israeli abominations, and christian pedophiles go to heaven... why the fuck would I want to go to heaven and be stuck with them for eternity?
Did you personally go to heaven and verify?
Did people before Christianity just evaporate then?
IIRC the so-called "virtuous pagans" went to purgatory
The old Pascal's Wager. That's why I believe in every religion and none at the same time. I have to cover my bases.
Sure, blame the atheism and conveniently forget about all the butt stuff.
Pheh, who needs heaven anyway, just install linux onto the afterlife.
Can heaven run doom tho?
"God forgives all" I ain't sweating.
Jokes on you, my plan all along was to tempt you away from God to secure a better position in Hell, as is the secret motivation of all atheists. Muahahaha!
Eternity of anything would be boring. You'd eventually become the paragon of apathy, numbed by experience, an akinetic mute.
You may be interested in watching The Good Place series if you haven't
Devil's advocate:
No it wouldn't if an all powerful deity allows you to not feel that boredom. Maybe you can be bored recreationally. As a treat you know?
Certainly any "infinite reward" existence would be something very different than our current state of being but an all powerful being could create something like it.
Apathy could be removed, or adjusted too. As can memories, let's say at our own will. Sheep detective style. Let's replay Elden ring for the first time for the 100th time. Make the conditions perfect to feel the same thrill.
You can exist in bursts. Tailend your life, wipe, repeat. Look back at a whim to see many pasts.
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