Let's also ban it for teachers who create educational materials. My kids receive and work with such materials and it's wrong so often and deeply, the teachers can't even explain how to solve problems.
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One generation from "don't trust wikipedia" to "just ask chatGPT."
They still say "don't trust wikipedia," btw.
Don't trust peer reviewed sourced material, trust this black box that gives you answers.
It should be banned at every level of education, and in every government department, doctors office, hospital etc just for a start.
Banned unless utility is proven.
Just utility? I can probably generate a bunch of school textbooks, fan fiction stories and children books with generative AI. Put them on some print on demand service and once some sorry soul is fooled and buys them, it's some utility. At least to me...
I think it's super involved to assess utility in a good way. Not even the large companies know whether AI coding makes their workforce more or less productive once everything is factored in. So, if it's the kind of utility they're looking for. And then there will be downsides so we gotta balance and weigh everything...
If you're putting it there as some impossible first step to do... Well done 😄
I don't get it.
Weren't schools telling children to "comply", just a few weeks ago?
I still remember having marks deducted in junior school for answering that the light does not turn on instantly after switching the button on.
the American education system in a nutshell.
that's why I tell my kids, learn as much as you can, try your best, but don't get upset about a poor test grade here or there. You can learn anything you want, you just have to be willing to put in the effort.
the only useful thing I learned in the American education system is that you can't rely on it to educate, as it's designed to generate. Generate workers, voters, debt mules, pawns.
I understand the intention, but I'd argue high school is where its at the most corrosive. High school is where kids are forming their independent learning habits - we're already seeing the effects of AI becoming a crutch at this point in the game.
It makes even the smartest kids thick as pig shit because they start to depend on it, in the same way a lot our generation's handwriting went down the shitter because of computers.
My college teacher be like: "I add AI to my Outlook email so it can automatically reply to emails using a lot of words"
The fact that this phrase is revolutionary and newsworthy makes this world so dystopian that it's hard to believe.
The number of new nurses / doctors who auto-piloted their way through school is fucking staggering.
There're no checks, they just take ChatGPT's vomit at face value.
Then they start working, and they're just bad.
AI needs to be banned from education, period. Think with your own brain.
The health of the nation requires a citizenry capable of critical thinking to draw upon to manage and direct the fate of the nation. Now, obviously, the wealthy don't want anyone but themselves to be capable of such a thing. So here we are.
Maybe we should take an example from Warhammer 40k, and just ban all "abominable intelligences.
Fucking hell. High school is where they start to learn to think for themselves the most.
Even more so, university students are truly becoming independent adults. Really, it should be banned for everyone, but that's not likely to happen.
They should ban that shit until you graduate college.the kids who are nerds will always figure out a way. The rest who are not into computers and such definitely should stay the fuck away. If you're not careful you'll become a zombie that works to pay for access to his brains as a rental subscription.
That's just so messed up. It should not just be banned but down right illegal to sell an AI subscription if the data used was stolen from the public in the first place.
Yeah, if running AI took a fancy graphics card and some basic scripting knowledge, a lot of the short cutters would get filtered out right away. I'd rather write a four page paper than struggle to get a strange piece of software working on a deadline and I'm a tech-adjacent Linux enthusiast. The commercialization of AI is the problem: the fact that they're preying on people's desire to stand out, to be exceptional, to get positive social feedback, to succeed in the hierarchy, to make their over-packed lives easier, etc. Open-source Academic AI would have had a some of the same issues, like being coopted by governments, but in general I think things would be magnitudes less terrible.
I appreciate your last point about stolen data. I appreciated it from a marketing/intelligence/propaganda point-of-view, and you from the ownership/intellectual property point of view, but we ended up in really similar places.
Lol at the zombie thing too.
You can go read on r/teachers (https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Teachers) just how bad this shit is getting--both phone use, and AI use for assignments.
We seriously need to completely ban both phones and AI use in grade school. Back to pencil and paper, and "show your work". The kids coming out of high school now can barely read, beyond texting. It's frightening.
If you give a fuck about your kids, you'll make sure they can read and write, because the schools don't give a fuck about your kids.
Teachers give a fuck. Unfortunately we refuse to adequately fund schools and don't give teachers the latitude to teach.
To be fair using it in primary school or earlier is probably the most damaging thing you could do to yourself with it
Maybe he didn't ban high school because 1. Kids with smartphones will be accessing it anyway, and if it's "banned" teachers will go 'well this can't have been written by AI because AI is banned in high school, yup!"
And 2. It might better facilitate them to giving lessons on the harms of AI
I remember having study hall twice a week in high school and wondering why I didn’t just have a block of time like that every day to complete my assignments. It seems that having something like this with faculty supervising may be the only way to ensure AI isn’t being used.
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