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[–] 9 points 2 hours ago

Hostile infrastructure, intended to heap misery upon the most miserable among us. We punish people who should be helped, and help people who should be punished. What a backwards world.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Ooh, free lock-picking practice!

    I don't think it would be illegal to non-destructively unlock that lock.

    - Ex-cop

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    Not with that lock they don't lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago

    Mfs be living in pharloom

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    You can open a Master Lock with a Master Lock.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    You can open a Master Lock with a Master Lock.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    as a former park worker, i would be so pissed if i had to lock and unlock all the benches twice a day, such s massive waste of time

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  • [–] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    That's got to be annoying just to lock and unlock a bench probably every day. Also the bench can still be used as a backboard while you sit on the ground.

    It doesn't stop being a chair it's just hostile architecture

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago*

    (Not in OP city) There's a lot of homeless people here and they like to sleep in entranceways and similar things, so you'll often see gates etc that get closed in front. One business had a open area beside it that homeless people were sleeping in, so they installed rounded spikes on the ground to make the area unusable. Caused a quite a bit of drama with the city.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    It's easier to lock up a bench than build an affordable home.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    Cheaper too.

    But, it's probably not the optimal solution. I suppose it's a step in the right direction. As bad as hostile architecture is, the old way of dealing with the problem was to have cops beat the shit out of homeless or drunk people if they tried to sleep in a place where other people might be offended or annoyed.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago

    Fun fact. Bolt cutters are cheap and you can do quick and dirty stick welding with 2 car batteries and some jumper cables.

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  • [–] 64 points 12 hours ago (9 children)

    Why are they so obsessed with making sure the homeless don't get a basic, involuntary need? Like just shoot them if you are going to be this cruel, and you are going to kill them anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    We need societal-level solutions to homelessness. We need housing, free healthcare, free mental healthcare, criminal justice reform, and more. But until we can do that, the reality is, concentrations of the homeless are associated with higher crime, reduced patronage of businesses, and decreased property values.

    It super duper sucks, but homelessness is a really difficult problem for cities and property owners they aren't equipped to address. Since they can't fix the problem, they instead focus on keeping the problem away.

    It's all so fucked.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago

    Capitalism requires there to be a threat of what happens if you "don't work hard enough" or don't play ball with those in power. Nevermind that most homeless people aren't that way due to laziness or anything they did wrong, just unlucky situations or medical debt or being laid off at an inconvenient time or something.

    It would be far cheaper to our country to have free housing, UBI, universal healthcare and social programs everywhere than what we are doing now, but what we are doing now makes about 1,000 people INSANELY wealthy at the expense of the other 342,000,000 people in the country, so that's what we keep doing for some stupid reason.

    Maybe one day everyone will wake up and stop enabling systems that create this shithole.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    they're still sticking to the trope that the homeless are lazy, uneducated bums; at best they're what happens to good citizens after falling into addiction.

    they all WANT to be there, but we definitely don't want them!!!

    but that narrative should be falling apart as conditions deteriorate...

    but you know, american education lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    Lemmy lol. Answer is simple. Everyday folks don't like seein' them, as they consider them lowlifes. City is doing "something" about it, so city is doing good. There are shelters, so it's not like these people have no options.

    Everyday folk don't think about shelters being overcrowded, homeless being alcoholics/druggies just to cope with their situation and thus not being able to use shelters, or the fact that I've seen software devs, here on lemmy, mention being homeless or being in the past.

    Most people are reactive, not proactive. They see dirty homeless person, they feel yucky, they tell said person to gtfo without thinking about the fact that it's a person in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Because people are more comfortable letting homeless people starve or freeze to death than they are with shooting them.

    Same reason people are happy to buy ham from the grocery store but would feel uncomfortable slitting a pig's throat.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    The cruelty is the point. They'll say a homeless person doesn't deserve a fee hundred bucks a month to get back on their feet, but they'll spend 100 grand a year per person to make them more miserable. It's just good job security (and satisfaction) for the police unions.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    Yes, I really can't wrap my way around their way of thinking.

    There are people who have such big issues in life, and such bad options, that a bench in a park is their best option for a place to sleep. That is horrible, and something must be done. And politicians think removing their best option is a solution?

    If people can show enough compassion to invest in getting these people back on their feet, if you are really just going to ignore them - at least to that. Let them be.

    If we're talking drunk people causing issues, and they need to learn to go home instead - then I'd get it. Not my preferred solution, but I'd get it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    And politicians think removing their best option is a solution?

    Because it gets them votes. The politicians aren't the problem, they merely reflect public attitudes.

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  • [–] 72 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    If you don't want to see homeless people in your park: HOUSE THEM

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  • [–] 12 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

    Over here entrance to shelters is permitted only to the sober. Its more complicated than that.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago

    In metro Vancouver area theyve bought old hotels and other buildings and set up barrier free housing. But it doesn't totally fix it because some, due to mental health, still don't want housing (or rules that go with housing) and some are destructive and start fires.

    Its a super tough problem that needs a root cause fix in early childhood years when kids need a good life.

    A former addict/homeless person also mentioned that all the comforts, and safe injection sites, free clean drugs, etc just insentivized them to keep using, since there wasn't hardship to force change.

    Its like a no win situation, right now.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago

    And it's impossible to get a decent night's sleep outside with all the traffic, pedestrians, noises, cops, etc. unless you self-medicate. If you can't get a good night's sleep you go insane.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    It's a lot easier to get sober if you have housing and basic needs covered.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 hours ago*

    Our town, one shelter they essentially dry out at (at their own pace), one shelter they go through a program that trains them on basic adulting and job skills like paying rent and filling out timesheets. together they make a pretty successful (very low recidivism rate, i.e. back on the street) mutual aid group

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