Are we eating enough plastic already?

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[–] 107 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (19 children)

Before the yeast can start feasting, the PET plastics are subjected to a process called oxidative hydrothermal dissolution to break them down into smaller bits that the microbes can digest.

Sensationalism aside, this could actually be a big deal. We use a lot of PET (polyethylene). Plastic drink bottles, plastic bags, plastic wrap, tape, fabrics, even some car parts. PET is a huge market segment of consumer products that are difficult to replace with environmentally friendly alternatives.

If we can boil it and then feed it to a vat of yeast to break down, that would be fantastic. Even better, it could remove some of the difficulty of plastic sorting which is a major part of the recycling problem. Basically, if you dump some plastic into the vat that the yeast can't eat, well it just won't eat it, so just sift it out of the vat later for a different disposal process, no big deal.

Even if humans can't directly consume the byproduct, I'm sure we can use it for something else.

My biggest question is how long this takes, which they don't address in the article. How long do you have to boil the material (how much energy, how much water, how much oxygen, how big a facility to process X volume of waste), and how long does it take the yeast to break it down? If it can be done in hours or days that's well worth spending some resources to build a processing center. If it takes months or years it will require more planning and analysis.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    My biggest question is how long this takes, which they don't address in the article. How long do you have to boil the material (how much energy, how much water, how much oxygen, how big a facility to process X volume of waste), and how long does it take the yeast to break it down? If it can be done in hours or days that's well worth spending some resources to build a processing center. If it takes months or years it will require more planning and analysis.

    They don't put in a direct answer, but there is an indirect one: $60 per kilo. That needs to come down A LOT before there is a real future for this. I heard of projects that try and turn plastics into fuels. Sooner or later somebody will figure it out.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Yes, I'm assuming that this is being done in a lab environment without purpose-built equipment, and also that developing the specialized yeast strain was part of the cost.

    Assuming that the genetic change is stable and that the yeast is self-propagating like normal yeast, then engineering the rest of it into an assembly line shouldn't be too difficult and should bring the cost down by orders of magnitude.

    Plus, if we can turn the output hydrocarbons into a viable market product then the recycler can offset the operating cost, which would make this even more interesting. Right now plastic recycling is just losses.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    These "food cookies" could be used as compost or animal feed no? Just transforming it into something that can return to nature is really cool.

    Also opens up the door to possibly finding a way to remove microplastics from people or animals. If it was possible to safely get those yeast into people, would break them down.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    Absolutely. Nothing can break down those polymers naturally, so just getting that process started makes a big difference. The very worst case is that the output material ends up in landfill - if it's just a sugar molecule at that point, it will break down relatively quickly. Way, way better than letting the plastic break down in the environment.

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    [–] 34 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    First it was bugs as protein .

    Then it was poo burgers .

    Now it's trash cookies.

    What's next?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    From the sounds of it, some kind of genetic treatment to turn everyone into raccoons?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Idk if it's an unpopular opinion here, but I'm totally cool with bugs as protein. I actually ate a roach that was raised in a clean environment and fed nothing but apples. It wasn't bad, actually kinda good. Tasted vaguely of apple to boot.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I'm cool with it. I fuckin hate roaches, but that aside, I think people misrepresent the concept for their own goals. The point isn't to eat bugs for protein (even if humans have at various points in history as a cultural norm). The point is modern meat production is killing us, and we should find other ways to supplement our nutritional intake. But the same people who bitch about vegans not getting the right macros or whatever also shit on bugs, so

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    First it was bugs as protein .

    Which has nothing wrong...?

    Then it was poo burgers .

    I mean, i really doubt it's meant to be taken as serious consideration and not just "why don't wr just try for the funnies?"

    Now it's trash cookies.

    Seems like you did not even try to understand the article lmao, they just want to showcase their modified yeast that can "eat" PET and produce other stuff with it

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    [–] 23 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    Wait they haven’t even tasted it? If I was a scientist turning plastic into food I would be at least licking it.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Probably concerned about worst case scenarios. This is a bioengineered yeast that eats PET. What if it populates your gut and fucks up your gut fauna and hurts you?

    What if you shit it out and it gets into some waste area with lots of plastic and starts multiplying uncontrollably?

    What if it evolved to eat other plastic and now all our current plastic starts literally molding?

    There's a lot of weird shit that you can be concerned about. Might be low risk but low risk of extreme new scenario.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's possible they did taste it but can't say it because they didn't get permissions to do it.

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is basically the plot of the the body horror movie "Crimes of the Future" where humans modify themselves to be able to eat the "new food" that is readily available, plastic waste. It is not meant to be hopeful.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14549466/

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I thought that was about a subset of people who had mutated to digest plastic, not that they modified themselves to do so.

    The whole opening scene has a small child too young for surgery, just going ham on his trash can.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I didn't want to give away everything but yes, the other plastic eaters had modified themselves and somehow a surgical modification changed a live birth to be able to be the first human to be able to eat plastic. Hence the kid.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This should be the diet of oil oligarchs and politicians who continue to suppress efforts to reduce fossil fuel use

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    While this could be good, I think about this much older article that talks about somewhat similar things, specifically

    turkey offal, tires, plastic bottles, harbor-dredged muck, old computers, municipal garbage, cornstalks, paper-pulp effluent, infectious medical waste, oil-refinery residues, even biological weapons such as anthrax spores

    but they ended up only doing (what I remember being) the turkey offal. The article mentioned here says

    plastic compounds and agricultural byproducts like discarded plant stalks into proteins, fats, acids, and flavorings

    and while it has been 20+ years, my concern is that it will end up doing much less than promised. But I can hope for more.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Has anyone read Diamond Age? I'd suggest you give it a try, even with the weird Stephenson jumps near the end, it explores molecular level production of products, including food.

    I feel this work is a huge deal for NASA and other space flight tech dev. Instead of trying to pack a ship with cookies, pack it with plastic and convert as needed.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    "We produce 400 million tons a year of plastic waste. You’re not going to turn it all into cookies."

    That's quitter talk. Have you seen the shit Americans eat? We could do 400 million tons of cookies and a large diet coke without flinching.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Fuck micro plastics, we got macro plastics

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Wait... that's could have been a NileRed video!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They haven’t actually eaten one of their µBites yet

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    [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    there was a study during WW2 germany whether factories could produce synthetic food from petroleum ... i'm not entirely sure what the outcome of this was, actually, i should read up on it some day.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    "They [university students] haven’t actually eaten one of their µBites yet, as they wait for university approval."

    LOL yeah right - same reason I never drank beer in college. Waiting for approval!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Ask your doctor if Plastic is right for you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    They haven’t capitalized on feeding us our own shit… until now!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The yeast breaks down the components of plastic compounds and agricultural byproducts like discarded plant stalks into proteins, fats, acids, and flavorings that we can eat.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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