The nonpartisan budget watchdog, revisiting one of its favorite subjects, found that Americans retiring this decade are on track to collect, in the form of entitlements, about 133% of everything they and their employers paid in taxes, measured in present-value dollars. Strip out the employer match, and the return nearly doubles: Roughly 265% of what workers put in themselves. A median-wage retiree in 2027 will collect about $730,000 in lifetime benefits on combined contributions of less than $200,000. The math holds together because today’s payroll taxes are covering the gap. Who pays those taxes, and who is retiring and collecting? Largely millennials and baby boomers, respectively.

In nominal dollars, the gap is even more dramatic. A median-wage worker retiring in 2027 can expect about $730,000 in lifetime Social Security benefits, compared with less than $200,000 paid in taxes by that worker and their employer combined, according to CRFB. Benefits outpace total taxes paid after just six years of collecting. They outpace the worker’s own direct contributions after only three.


The consequence is a financing cliff that’s now closely dated. Social Security’s retirement trust fund is projected to be depleted in 2032, with the combined retirement and disability trust funds exhausted by around 2033 or 2034. After that point, according to the SSA Trustees Report, incoming payroll taxes alone would cover only about 78% of scheduled benefits—triggering an automatic, across-the-board cut of roughly 22% unless Congress intervenes before then.

The promise of retirement for Millennials is just a mirage. Conservatives keep sabotaging social security even though it has worked for 3 generations.

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[–] 152 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Baby boomers are collecting 265% of what they paid into Social Security

A median-wage worker retiring in 2027 can expect about $730,000 in lifetime Social Security benefits, compared with less than $200,000 paid in taxes by that worker and their employer combined

Adjusting the $200k for inflation, that's around $800k.

If anything, SS recipients should be getting back more than $730k. That's deferred consumption which was recycled through public spending into increased domestic growth. Growth that the vast majority of these workers never got to see, as their salaries fell behind the inflation rate.

But ask the editors of Fortune Magazine what they think of uncapping the Social Security tax, so it applies to people making more than $180k/year. Ask them how they feel about paying for SS directly out of the General Fund, rather than getting a special Poor Tax that can't be exempted through deductions and credits. Ask them how they feel about paying for SS out of an Equities Transaction Tax, such that trillionaires issuing the next round of IPOs take responsibility for the millions of senior citizens who they are brain-fucking with AI slop on a daily basis.

Social Security is the promise this country (kinda-sorta) makes to its elderly. If you worked your whole life, you won't be impoverished the day your employer doesn't consider you a value-add anymore. The taxation scheme for SS is fucked, but only because it taxes labor income rather than labor value. We've seen the gross wealth in this country rise from $2.2T to $167T between 1960 and 2027. And you're telling me we're running out of money to pay our retirees?

Fuck off. Anyone should be able to see through this bullshit.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Exactly. It is obvious that this is trying to lie to you, because of course employees should be entitled to the employer match that employers paid into SS. If SS were a private fund, then those retirement funds would have been earning interest and the payors should be entitled to interest on their savings. “But, the index fund is paying you out more than you put in!!! The stock market will run out of moeny!” No, that is exactly what index funds, and retirement funds, are suppose to do.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The most obvious slight of hand here is the suggestion that employer contributions shouldn't count as part of what employees paid in. That is part of their compensation and shouldn't be ignored when suggesting that younger generations are paying for baby boomer's social security.

    To me this reads like someone is trying to poison younger people against social security so they won't complain when it is taken away.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I sort of don’t want to wade into this, but…

    […] about 133% of everything they and their employers paid in taxes, measured in present-value dollars. Strip out the employer match, […]

    I agree with pretty much all of what you said, but they are accounting for inflation.

    Edit: Oh, no. My apologies.
    The article is kind of bullshit. They jump from saying the value is measured in present values to nominal without actually adjusting their numbers. I’m not a mathamagician, but something is fucky here in a way that extends beyond mathematical errors. They claim a discrepancy (employee + employer contributions), use an edge case to inflate the numbers (going with just employee contributions), then repeatedly mention that higher discrepancy while saying it’s due to both employee and employer contributions. It’s like an AI went off the rails trying to write persuasively, and the “writer” just let it fly anyway. Some basic logic doesn’t seem to work here.

    Shit. I read the summary from the OP before I commented. My mistake.

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    [–] 108 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So I guess Fortune magazine just discovered inflation today? Fuck your dumb oligarch divisive bullshit, the only problem with Social Security is that the wealthiest haven't been paying enough into it.

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    [–] 88 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Oh, cool, a multi-prong attack on Social Security, just like I commented on that other article here on Social Security.

    Get the younger generation all whipped up and butthurt about the "olds" collecting what is characterized as "too much". While the oligarchs bitch about "balancing the budget" by cutting services.

    Instead of the fucking obvious option - lift the caps.

    I wish I could downvote this article more than once.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    Thank you for saving me the time and energy to say precisely that.

    If the caps were removed, it would completely solve the problem.

    That's it.

    Yet again, they try to divide us any way they can.

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    [–] 49 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Goddamn, I'm so sick of this bad faith argument. Fucking Fortune bullshit.

    Remove the Social Security Cap on incomes over $184k and this problem goes away. It's really that fucking simple.

    TAX THE FUCKING RICH ALREADY.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, a reasonable cap on what you get out but none on what you put in. Because yeah if you're making $200k a year you should be saving if you want to maintain a wealthy lifestyle, but everyone should be able to sleep indoors and keep eating off of a social security income.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago

    The media sure is pushing the “cut social security and medicare” narrative this month — instead of pointing out that yearly military budget is $1 trillion.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    That's... How it's supposed to work. Don't fall for the trap of getting mad at guaranteed income lol. You will regret it

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Right? I don't know how the US system works but in Canada we invest contributions and grow them. If you've been paying in since you started working I would hope it's grown in the meantime.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Guaranteed to whom lmao, aging societies won't be able to keep paying it. Us millennials will be unbelievably lucky if we get it. Gen Alpha will surely only be paying, not receiving.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes, if nothing is changed for decades, the current systems may have issues.

    Fortunately, we have decades to come up with some solutions. Which I'm sure we'd all rather be focusing on than talking shit online.

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    [–] 32 points 1 month ago

    Let's be clear, every generation should get more than they put into it by working, because they're still paying taxes as well. Also, we all buy our own healthcare for the most part. This is a shitty, shitty, comparison.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    First of all, "there's no money for this" coming from the federal government is a lie, on any topic. They just don't want to, and take advantage of people not knowing how money works. There's always money for bombs, but for schools and social services not so much.

    Second of all, as others have said, capping social security payments per year is stupid. It should be progressive. The first $x don't get taxed at all, then higher rates as your income goes high.

    Third, it shouldn't be tied to your personal contributions. We live in a society, despite what anti social conservative monsters say.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    While I agree the cap on social security contributions should be lifted, I don't think we need three separate progressive payroll taxes at the federal level. Currently both income and medicare are separate progressive tax brackets. Taxes are already complicated enough!

    Just lump them all together, increase the number of brackets (90% top rate), and tie the income ranges to inflation.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Their own graph illustrates how bullshit their own argument is:

    In the text they are comparing taxes without interest at "less than $200,000" (aka as $197.000 or "almost $200.000" if the author weren't a ghoul) with benefits without interest at $730.000, without mentioning interest/inflation adjustment at all. Since taxes were paid decades before the benefits will be received, their accumulated interest is going to be much higher, which is illustrated well by the graph.

    If the graph can be trusted, then with interest the break even point of contributions/benefits happens at 82 or 83 years of age. The usa life expectancy is 79 years. So according to their own data, the average boomer will have contributed more than they will receive. And that is with the current regressive taxation scheme, where high earners contribute less.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    But I believe the GOP have been "borrowing " money from Social Security hence why there won't be anything for future generations. For fuck sake I might as well die if thinking going live on it. The average baby boomer is not living on their SS. Also got letter in 2010 telling me I would be eligible to collect when 72, fucking 72 years old. I suppose to work until I am almost dead? Fuck that.

    Time fucking cull some billionaires.

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    [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I'm proud of Lemmy's response to this.

    I expected "boomers bad", but found most comments calling out the bullshit.

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    [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Okay but you cannot take away the employer contribution for your math. That portion is part of your compensation.

    That’s similar to doing math on 401(k) and taking out employer match. It doesn’t make sense. It’s YOUR money either way.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    They could get rid of the cap on social security tax. It's pretty fucking low.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    I'm glad Lemmy sees through this. If they have to go into a skilled nursing facility and don't have really good insurance to pay and the copays and deductibles, they will be forced onto Medicaid (assuming it still exists), and the state will take their entire estate to pay for overpriced, subpar care. Eff all the way off with this noise.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    And it will be the same for when millennials are old enough to collect. That's literally how it works. The fact that people are constantly trying to frame this, like it's some kind of scam, is infuriating. Stop bullshitting people.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Baby boomers are collecting 265% of what they paid into Social Security

    Brief recap on how retirement savings work: you invest, and the money grows. See also: inflation adjusted dollars.

    and millennials are paying the price

    Fucking headslap. We have a basic understanding of how SS works. My kids will be “paying the price” for Millennials. This is nothing but inter generational rage bait.

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    [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Budget watchdog

    Three conservative 'bootstraps' penny-pinchers in a trenchcoat.

    They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Here we go again with the doom & gloom propaganda. Social Security is literally the easiest problem in DC to fix. Just raise the income cap from $185.5K to $250K, or $500K, or $1 Million, or remove the cap altogether.

    That's all it would take to solve the problem.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    This is horseshit that should be deleted. Some VC billionaire is funding a campaign to make everyone hate social security so they can privatize it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Isn't that how Social Security is supposed to work? In 30 years it's going to be Gen A paying for millennials. It only has reserves because the trust fund was set up to cover the baby boomers because they knew it was a much larger generation. The trust fund was never intended to be a permanent fixture.

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    [–] 8 points 1 month ago*

    That makes sense if you trust the inflation numbers the US has been putting out.

    In truth, for 50 years real inflation, as measured by the old unchanged pre 1970's measures changed to yield lower numbers through hook and crook, have averaged 5-8% a year just by 2008.

    In fact, by the old measure, social security checks would be worth on average 1,300 more a month just by 2008. Boomers are getting cheated, OP is just too, uh, ahem, misguided, to not be manipulated by the oligarchy.

    https://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/numbers-racket/

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Honestly would include us genXers. Still working with no end in sight.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Eliminate the cap or eliminate the fuckin problem

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    What in the fuck is benefits plus interest? Lol, fucking Christ.

    Their own graph shows their taxes plus interest covers more than the cost of their benefits. Shut the fuck up.

    Also using the non-interest, non-inflation adjusted sum with the current day dollar benefit amount and saying “it gets worse” as if they HAD done that then they just… give the same two numbers?

    I… you’re supposed to be someone I listen to about financials? You can’t even fucking pretend you did any math?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Not going to lie, I was upset when I saw the headline. Then I actually thought about it, and yeah, that sounds about right.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Come and get some
    Skinning the children for a war drum
    Putting food on the table selling bombs and guns
    It's quicker and easier to eat your young

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That's OK, I've been eavesdropping on older relatives and know which nursing homes are the worst. My retirement plan is to buy a gun and check out when I run out of money for rent/food/medicine.

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    [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Even the paragraphs copied into the post sets of my bullshit detector a lot. It really feels like I'm being lied to. What's actually going on here?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Let's say you pay $10 in social security today. In 30 years when you take it out if it was worth $10 you'd be up shits creek. Social security would be literal robbery. Anyone could put the money in a bank/bonds whatever investments and at least get paid interest. So what happens here is a person puts in $10, their employer matched the $10. Then they get out a little less than $40 30 years later. If you look at inflation from 30 years to today... It's ~100%.

    Aka they should be getting at least that amount back, or it is a bad investment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    It's really hard to control the fury sometimes

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The Greatest Generation got the best deal on Social Security, if you ask me.

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    [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    This is how it's supposed to work. Inflation doesn't stop when you stop working. If your savings and income are shrunk by inflation around you what are you supposed to do? Some of us will have investments that will grow with inflation, but many will not. This is literally designed to work this way, you collect an amount based on the current cost of living, not what that cost was when you were paying into it. It's a good system.

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