I want to experiment with making some stupid strong edibles & I can't find proper research on how much THC one can dissolve into oil before it's saturated and a waste of weed

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[–] 21 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Used to be quite the edible chef. I think it's technically possible to fully saturate the coconut oil, but I don't think it's functionally possible. I once made edibles that had 1/8th of wax per dose and those definitely hit like 1/8th of wax. And for the record, especially back then, I had the edible tolerance to tell the difference between doses when they're that high. Even now, after a year and a half long break from weed/edibles, I have to take a 200mg edible every night to get sleep, and that doesn't even always work. If I want consistentcy, I have to take about 600mg and at that point I'm not even high, just a little sleepy

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  • [–] 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I have to take a 200mg edible every night to get sleep

    you accidentally added an extra 0, right? anakin-padme-2

    If I want consistentcy, I have to take about 600mg and at that point I'm not even high, just a little sleepy

    right anakin-padme-4

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  • [–] 11 points 6 days ago

    That is what being a street edible chef will get you. I'd make all my money back selling like 5 edibles, I always priced out my recipes/dosing to make my money back after 5. But I'd make like 50 pieces, so I got to eat A LOT of edibles back then. Pretty much fried me on edibles, even after my break.

    Yeah I take 200mg a night, and that's because that's the highest dose that's financially viable.I can get 50 200mg edibles for about $30

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 6 days ago

    Perfect, this is exactly what I was looking for, thank you!

    I'll probably keep the dosages a little lower than that but it's good to know I don't really need to worry about an upper limit or the cannabis not infusing properly

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    So you are saying you can buy Rick Simpson Oil and take 10 grains of rice worth and feel slightly tired? To be honest, I don't believe that is possible or you are measuring it wrong. I have been dosing RSO for years and can't take that much and I have cancer patient level tolerance

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    I don't know about every day but i know a couple people who need to approach 800-1000mg of edibles to actually feel fucked up off them.

    I personally don't bother with edibles because the way my body seems to process them i can't feel a thing until I'm in space. No in between at all

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    yeah, I just don't believe those numbers are accurate not that people don't think they can do it or they have some kind of genetics where they simply are no longer metabolizing and their liver skips it. I'd like to see them try the rso I make. I've never met someone who can take that much and I produce medicinal strength cannabis.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Only bought RSO once, I needed quite a bit to feel it. But this was back in my peak edible days. By this point, I had been munching on 4 of my 250mg brownies in a night on the regular, more on a good business day. I had dealer/junkie tolerance

    Smoking is generally a better ROA for me for weed, I buy a sev of shake for $20 on payday every two weeks and that almost lasts me the whole time. I do run out around day 11, but I learned this week that I'm well liked enough by my co workers to not have to worry about that anymore. Even after a years long break on edibles, I still need 200mg to be consistently useful.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I don't think that is tolerance, I think you must have some kind of genetics where your liver doesn't metabolize it. I have a serious pain disorder and have been intentionally building a tolerance for over 25 years and can't approach 200 mg without going out for 3 days.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I know it's tolerance because I had like 2 years of doing an occasional edible before I became a dealer and had the supply to make my tolerance. Edibles didn't always hit like this, while I have always had a higher tolerance than the people in my state, I used to take about 60mg of edible a night and I was BAKED off that in the early dayd

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    I was both a dealer at the level called "trafficking" then a "pre-legal" grower and now licensed grower lol and I can take 50 mg. There is something else going on there that is not normal

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    I mean my first edible ever was 500mg, and I consider that my first ever psychedelic experience. It's never hit me like that since, but it used to hit me like a normal-ish person

    Edit: and for reference, I'd go through about an ounce of distillate a week on edibles alone back when I was dealing. I'd say I probably ate at least 1/3 of that minimum, not to mention taking dabs and smoking blunts 24/7.

    Someone that takes anything like they're a junkie can develop tolerances far beyond what anybody else can. Back when I was into opiates, I knew people who would take 2x the dose my Grandma got when she was on hospice just to stay out of withdrawal. My opiate tolerance never got that high, but still. My brain has the tolerance of someone that used drugs to get fucking blasted

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  • [–] 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    My understanding is you probably won't practically saturate something like coconut oil.

    I used a sous vide cooker. Id grind the herb and put it in a mason jar and decarb it around 180f for an hour or two, shaking the jar occasionally. Then just add the oil to the jar and set it to 195f, simply because that was the max setting. Id leave it in there for at least 6 hours, but I think that majority of the infusion happens in like the first hour or two.

    The main idea here is theres certain temps where cannabinoids start breaking down so the sous vide prevents that. You're not only getting a large portion of the THC but also most of the ones that only occur in trace amounts. Also the mason jar in the water keeps the massive skunk aura contained.

    My sweet spot for general consumption was 2 grams of herb to 1 cup of oil. I never went too crazy with the oil since it was easy enough to just eat another brownie or cookie. If I was making a personal batch or some for serious medical use id double that amount, but i genuinely never felt that it was practical to go much stronger. The quality and strain matter a lot too so it's very much a trail and error thing.

    I did find that i could substitute the oil directly for peanut butter to make weed peanut butter. A very tasty and convenient way to become way too fucking stoned.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 child)

    Honestly just extract it with high proof ethanol first. You can completely evarporate the ethanol or keep a little bit for an extract.

    If you want to consume it directly you probably want to heat it up so the substances break down a bit first.

    edit: don't use denatured alcohol. you want to use something made for human consumption

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 child)

    While the specialists are here: I'm looking to switch away from oil as a medium: I need something a bit thicker, more viscous, and crucially it must be able to be mixed with color and flavor. I'm thinking I'd have better luck with one of the many industrial candy precursors with names like "paraffin sorbitol", but don't know where to start. I basically need a neutral-to-sweet translucent slime with good absorption, any comrade got a lead?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago* (1 child)

    Basically a delicious and absurdly powerful orange flavored sap/syrup

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago

    It almost perfectly dissolves in pure ethanol at any ratio.

    You do get an pretty overpowering alcohol and cannabis flavor though.

    If you add such a tincture to water or even just regular drinking strength spirits you get a cloudy mixture which I imagine is the resin crashing out of the solution.

    I think it's quite nice with herbal tea and honey.

    Lecithin might make it better dissolve in water, might also improve absorption but I've never bothered.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago* (3 children)

    Okay I'm a chemical engineer and not a chemist so the engineer part is probably influencing this response heavily but I don't think it's that useful of a calculation.

    What certainty do you have of the THCA content of your weed? Yield of THC? Composition of the oil? Yield of transfer?

    Don't worry I'm not just going to run my mouth lol: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1208/s12249-022-02385-8

    There is a pay wall but you can get the info from the abstract.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 6 days ago

    Thank you, that paper is exactly what I'm looking for, I doubt I'll hit 400mg THC / gram of oil lmao

    I'm not planning on doing exact math, ballpark numbers are good enough for me & my friends. I was mainly curious what the limit to dissolving THC into oil is & if I was anywhere near it

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Am I reading that right? You can dissolve THC into lipids until the resulting liquid is half THC?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah but like I imagine there are some high pressures and temperatures involved lol.

    It's half by weight btw which means you get even better solubility with smaller molecules like alcohols or other small organic molecules. I think the substrate makes a difference in absorption but I'm too high to look it up lol

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago*

    Yeah at that point you're just designing a semi-continuous process rather than a batch one, since absorption rates depend so much on geometry at the scales these usually happen.

    Not really stuff you could do at home, unless you're willing to buy and make some glassware yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

    ChemE by training here, too! And I just had a series of flashbacks to my extraction classes and all the tertiary diagrams.

    I know THC is lipophilic but it is also polar, that's how you make tinctures. Shorter chain fats might work better, but they might not survive the kinds of temperatures extraction would work best at.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    Well if you have four grams of distillate and one gram of coconut oil you would just end up with a THC/oil suspension right? I don't think there is a saturation point. You just need enough fat or alcohol to get your metabolism to carry it into your bloodstream. I like to just eat a bowl of something fatty then swallow a little ball of cold oil.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago

    Damn some of you are pros here, i just fry some weed in sime olive oil and then use that oil in salads lmao

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    [–] 4 points 6 days ago* (2 children)

    Lying machine and its sources:

    The dissolve rate and extraction efficiency of THC in coconut oil typically ranges between 60% and 85%, with most calculations using an average midpoint of 73%. Because THC is highly lipophilic (fat-soluble), it binds exceptionally well to the medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) abundant in coconut oil.

    https://thesocialleaf.com/choosing-between-cannabis-butter-and-cannabis-oil/

    https://www.seaweeddelivery.com/blogs/news/cannabis-infused-coconut-oil-potency-storage-use

    https://noids.wiki/cannabis-oil-extraction-efficiency/

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8803256/

    Assuming you're working with wax, budder, pre 'liquid diamonds' THAC crystals, 90%+ THC concentrates etc and not flower

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