bulk raising chickens in the millions is a totally different cost per animal ( is bulk slaughter and roasting them), than what you pay at a supply store
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It’s simply not economical to raise chickens. It’s like brewing beer: very labor-intensive, expensive, and heart breaking when they die, which they are very good at. It’s not a hobby to save money, despite what people tell you. The eggs are great though.
They're also extremely sweet creatures when hand raised. They'll come running and want to be picked up and everything. Eating them or having them die is awful.
Very true. A fox got ours and it was really traumatic. They all had names and were so sweet.
It sounds like a hobby with big benefits. You get meat and eggs hhat you know where they come from.
Probably a way lot healthier than anything from even organic food.
I grew up in a village, and it was definitely economical. But village math is not city math.
You feed them grain and seeds that your neighbours grew literally right next door, in exchange for eggs laid right at your home. You let the chickens scratch around for food, and they mostly care for themselves. You bring in a rooster from the next town over occasionally to incubate the next generation. Once the hen stops laying eggs, you butcher it, and invite your neighbours for dinner.
If you try trucking in formulated commercial chicken feed and straw and such, it gets expensive fast. But in a village, it all just kind of works, and it's basically free food. I imagine it's a similar situation on a bigger farm. Maybe more independent, you grow your own grain and have a silo and such. But basically you don't buy feed or chicks at all, unless it's an emergency like a poor growing season or you need supplements.
I can attest that fresh free range eggs are better than any other eggs I've had since. Can't get more organic than literally laid this morning. I will mention though some realities you may not be aware of that catch people off guard.
If you live in the city or suburbs, having chickens is more like having an exotic pet. It would take so much effort and expenses that it becomes a hobby.
- Buying food from the pet store.
- No roosters so you have to keep buying replacement chicks when they die.
- Neighbours wrinkle their noses at butchery.
- Gangs of bored cats fucking everywhere that will terrorize your animals.
- Half your yard and lawn torn up and reserved by a chicken run (they need a lot of space).
- The smell and feces buildup from too many chickens in a small space.
You can make it work, but you're rowing uphill. The eggs will still be great, though.
The shell will be "sticky" and warm, and sometimes got a bit of poop on it. This is normal, you just wash the egg if eating today, or gently wipe if storing. Don't wash them if you're storing them, they have a natural barrier that prevents bacteria that doesn't survive washing. That's why some countries refrigerate eggs; they wash them as part of the processing stage but naturally they don't need the fridge. They will last longer than you think in a carton, about 1 month unrefrigerated, or 4 months refrigerated.
More reading: https://coopeduplife.com/how-long-do-fresh-laid-eggs-last/
Before doing this, you may want to checkout the Farming while Beige youtube channel (blackbirdcoop).
In some of his videos he provides a very honest description of the work involved.
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Fucking love that guy.
"you just going to throw all that into the dirty ass oil, aren't you?"
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You're not ready for Chicken Math, buddy.
Chicken math:
You have a couple of hens and a rooster. They're pretty chill and everything's cool. But you can't eat the birds you have, then you wouldn't get any eggs... Maybe you should get more birds? You wonder what it will cost you to hatch and rear some chickens. Before you're done guestimating, one of your hens is broody, so you let it do its business.
You starting building a secondary run for momma hen and her chicks. You forget the material price, but you do notice the text message half way through the month. It's from the bank, you're getting close to insufficient funds on your debit card. Anyway you move some funds around and head off to the feed store. Chickens need special feed and different feeders/water dispensers.
The chicks grow and you start to see something akin to personality. You want to optimize for size, so you wait with the harvesting. Suddenly some start presenting male characteristics. But the rest? They're too cute and you could do with a few more eggs.
While picking up considerably more feed, you notice the text message from the bank, you ignore it and start looking at that incubator that's on sale. It doea look neat. Next spring then hens start laying eggs again, you decide to not wait for a broody hen, and you start collecting an incubator's worth of eggs.
When the eggs are about to hatch, finally a hen has become broody, so when most egg have hatched momma gets her eggs switched with a load of chicks. You don't have any chicks to loom at indoors now, so maybe you should hatch a few more. You've heard about a different breed that you want to try out, so you find eggs on facebook marketplace and drive for 2hours each way to pay 50€ for the 24 eggs your incubator can hold. Of the 24 eggs 15 are fertilized and as you miss a single critical water refill only 10 hatch. You do note that that's 5€ per chick. But you think to your self "hey, it's an investment, now I have this breed and can hatch more down the road"
You keep this up, and second year you are worrying that the authorities will discover that you have more than the 30 chickens you can have without registering. You're also on a first name basis with the clerks in two feed stores and you ask about their kids ball games when you get your weekly 80kg of feed. You try to recoup some of the money by selling eggs. You have no idea what an egg costs to produce, but you can't get yourself to charge more than about 50 cents per egg. You don't piece it together, but your income doesn't match your feed budget. Your bank loves you, because even though you should be able to save money for a car and a holiday, you end up getting financing for all major purchases and going on holiday is overrated anyhow. You like to stay home, who would take care of your birds?
Anyway ⬆️that's chicken math...
Those chicks at the supply store are for small hobby farms. The rotisserie chicken comes from a big factory farm. That factory farm either doesn't have to pay for chicks at all (they just breed their own), or they buy them for a fraction of the retail cost by buying them in bulk directly from suppliers.
You don’t start a chicken farm with Tractor Supply chicks is the answer. Even if you did it that way, you’re not really losing out much in the grand scheme of things.
Tractor Supply chicks are sold as glorified pets.
Fun fact: it costs next to nothing to ship chicks through the USPS because of heavy subsidies for the industry. You literally just buy a crate from a wholesaler to start a broiler farm.
I have a small flock and it really depends how much you can DIY, but I’ve spent several hundred on their yard setup and equipment (food and water buckets, water heater for winter, etc.) and thats very cheap materials. This is because I live in town and part of the license stipulates they are in a fully enclosed area, not able to roam. I also built their overnight run out of 1/2 in galvanized mesh, to keep them safe from night predators, and that was expensive to do.
If you live out in the country you wont have that problem with the required fencing, but you will have predators, and if you don't properly account for those you wont have any birds to harvest.
Chickens take several months to reach full meat bird size. The feed is like $20/50lbs and 6 go through 1-2 bags per month. I heavily supplement their food with kitchen scraps from all the people I give eggs to, so we all waste less and they have incredibly healthy eggs, which reduces their feed consumption substantially, but that feed cost is always there.
My chickens are not meat birds, mostly because I’m not allowed to have a rooster so i cant’t get hatching eggs for free, it's not really worth repeatedly buying eggs for that purpose. I get 4-6 eggs per day every day from my 6 hens, and that is a LOT of eggs. I average a dozen every 2 days or 15 dozen per month. I supply five households with that, with occasional extra to a few others. If you plan to raise birds for eggs, make sure you have people lined up to take them before you get the birds. Tons of people have backyard flocks these days so its much easier to get eggs from random people.
If you want an economical option, i suggest raising quail. They are ready for culling at 6 weeks and while you get a lot less meat from each bird, they are much faster and cheaper to get to grown, if you get good at incubating the eggs, and keep your own breeding covey. They are also incredibly easy to slaughter and clean, mechanically speaking. Tools include very sharp scissors and a bucket and that’s all. They also only need 3sqft/bird to be happy (you’ll see 1 sqft thrown around but that's industrial and their standards are trash, even 3 is a bit low, but they don't seem to mind, because it means a 10-bird covey gets 30sqft of floor space), unlike chickens which need a lot more.
I recommend the book Make the Bread, Buy the Butter. Author Jennifer Reese talks about the costs and hassles associated with raising chickens for the eggs, among other food subjects.
Chicks at the hardware store are for the eggs
Ask them for a bulk purchase of 100 baby chicks and they’ll reduce the price to maybe $4. Bulk at 10,000 will probably get you to $3. Order several million per year and you’ll get $1 or even lower. Maybe even few cents per chick.
So your rotisserie at $5 still includes a modest to large profit, even including cooking, materials, shipping and handling.
I have no knowledge about the economics of live poultry, but rotisseries are generally loss leaders at grocery stores. They're so commonly loss leaders that they're often cited as one of the primary examples to explain the concept of a loss leader.
https://thehustle.co/the-economics-of-costco-rotisserie-chicken
$5 is selling at a loss at this point.
Broilers (chickens for meat) are usually males that just hit maturity. Before they go insane on hormones and fight other males, they become food. That takes around 6-8 weeks. So, at scale like supermarkets, not a ton of food goes into them. Likely more money goes into dressing (slaughter), packaging, and shipping.
Layers (les femmes chickitas) turn out eggs until they don't anymore, and then get turned into dog food or nuggets, or soup. They're turning corn into eggs. My parents have layers and get a 20lb bag of food once a month and get 2-4 eggs a day, depending on the weather.
Not entirely true anymore - both male and female chicks are raised for meat, just different breeds than for commercial egg production. The large poultry company I used to work with raised exclusively female chicks, since they grew faster. The male chicks went into the grinder, as the other poster suggested.
It’s called a loss leader.
Yah thats part of the real answer here. The $6 rotisserie chicken at Costco is sold at a loss to bring in customers and the store makes profits off their other items.
The Costco rotisserie chicken is phenomenal, though. Tastes better than other chickens, too. I make it into chicken salads frequently, after the bf claims the wings
I was excited for the rotisserie function of my new oven until I got to the supermarket and discovered that an uncooked whole chicken costs more than a store-rotisseried whole chicken.
1 egg per day could be worth 20-30c/day to you. Maybe more for freshness and convenience value. 100 days at 6c profit or 200 days at 3c, would pay for the $6 back. End food value is bonus.
How are you raising them and what breed?
The old breeds you just release around your home, that's it. A coop helps if you want eggs, but the goal here is to eat chickens not eggs. And it costs zero upkeep. The chickens are too stupid to realize you're a predator, but capable enough to avoid natural predators. They'll just hang around your property, because you keep normal predators away most of the time.
That's how the arrangement with chickens is supposed to work.
If you're in a city or even a town and can't let them loose and just want eggs, then you still don't need vitamins, just raise mealworms and feed them that with chicken feed.
But you're going to need to make sure you buy the right kinds of chickens for what you want them to do.
I have two chickens and I get approximately two eggs a day. Their food is like, I dunno, $20 a month? Probably not saving money on eggs but they're my pets so that's why I have them. (not eating them, obviously. Or any chickens for that matter.)
Backyard chicken wranglers hatch lots of males they don't want.
Post in fb chicken groups saying you'll have them.
Go to chicken auctions and buy 6 for $1.
I’ve heard that raising the hybrid layer/meat birds for a season usually ends up slightly to significantly over the cost of premium eggs and chicken. Exact amounts vary widely depending on accounting etc.
A poultry farm egg accountant is someone who counts their chickens before they hatch.
But how many baskets do they put their eggs in?
My siblings have chickens, but I wouldn't call them a money saver so much as a hobby. If anything the eggs are more useful for bartering/giving to friends, since even a family that eats a lot of eggs typically has trouble going through the eggs laid by a small flock. Take into account too that they're not going to be laying as much or at all during the late autumn and winter months. So you'll be drowning in eggs in the spring and summer, and then not really any. Historically people dealt with this by preserving eggs in lime (mineral, not fruit) water, but most people don't bother today since you can get them at the store.
You may still need to buy chickens down the line, because sometimes an illness can go through a flock and knock all (or most of them) down without there really being much to do about it. Letting them just breed for too long without introducing new blood can also cause incest issues. The vitamins and feed aren't really that expensive. You may be able to get a better deal at a local feed store than online or through a pet store.
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Prices don’t only reflect the cost of production/raising an animal. But also how much the customers are willing to pay, also supply and demand. Especially stuff that has very little sale numbers are waaay more expensive than production because otherwise a business would not be profitable.
My last group of chicks (18) I got free from a neighbor who got them free from the Grange when the bought their dog food. They had some special going on, spend x and chicks free.
Hens are sweet and have a great personalities, some more than others but they’re fun and provide great nutrients for my compost plus I’m getting the best possible eggs. If you’ve only eaten store bought eggs, even if organic free range, you’ve never had outstanding eggs.
I’m not sure if I’m saving money or it’s costing more per egg than buying but it’s a process that’s totally worth it.
All of the comments about loss leader and factory scale vs. hobby farming are huge factors. Another is the predatory nature of poultry farming in the US. I don't know about Costco, but the other major producers, like Tyson and Perdue, have an extremely abusive relationship with contract farmers.
https://sentientmedia.org/contract-farming-makes-corporations-rich-and-family-farmers-broke/
Not to mention the breed of chicken matters immensely. The ones that are grown for meat are, in my opinion, nearly an entirely different species at this point and wouldn't survive a year on a hobby farm.
We found several chicks that fell off a Tyson truck and added them to our flock. They all grew to be nearly featherless, fat, grotesque birds that's broke their own legs because their bones couldn't keep up with how quickly their meat grew. They did all die in under a year.
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