Reinstall the os and forgot to install zram and I paid for it
Have you tried downloading more RAM?
Hah, sympathies. I had a similar scrot-before-disaster recently... oh yup, there it is https://lemmy.wtf/post/44743724/23091152 ... those pebkac errors still sneak up on us. n_n
Dummy question… if you have an ssd, why not swap? Sure not the best but also that is the last resort and on ssd Is not as bad as it used to be on hdd
Yea, I'm wondering if people don't realize the kernel has a swappiness setting. You can turn it down to lower the priority given to swap.
Still get that issue with swap and whatever zthing I use
Edit: No swop?
Swap is overrated (/s)
yeah, until...
Some people think that. I tried it to see what would happen, I have enough that I never threatened to hit the ceiling during normal use so it was uneventful. I turned swap back on and forgot about it for a couple weeks, when I checked about 12GB of swap was in use. So even if you have plenty of ram don't discount swap, it's still going to help.
I had a fellow linux user friend of over a decade convince me to try go no swap for a change.
I pebkac'd the system before it got a chance to fall foul of having zero swap.
... My next computer even before that pebkac, has swung the other way... >3X RAM amount of swap (And that's on twice the RAM too. Mmm. Roomy.). Not going back to no swap. I prefer the headroom.
With fast drives snug on the mainboard, it doesn't hurt dipping into swap.
What is zram?
Swap but better it behave mostly like actual ram and fast too, not as fast as actual ram but still way faster than swap I can open 5 browser tabs one of them playing a video while compiling a software I don't feel my system slow down at all
It's the opposite actually, in terms of implementation Zram is a hack, but it does have it's use case when your system load doesn't far exceed your total RAM, on the other hand swap is tightly integrated into the system and it's on it's way to implement "Virtual Swap" which is effectively Zram but not a hack, making it like a hundred times better, see This blogpost for a detailed explanation
I always confuse ZRAM and ZSwap. From my understanding ZRAM is the better one and Zswap is kinda outmoded.
It turns into a rabbit hole every time I gotta reference it! Lol
From my understanding, it's the opposite. Zswap is the better one since it has a ZRAM-like compressed section of RAM and disk-backed swap. That's definitely an oversimplification though.
I agree it's confusing. I always look it up during setup so I know which one to use.
There is a lengthy thread on Reddit about the technical differences. Apparently Zswap will take advantage of the kernel eviction strategy for swap space. Apparently Zram doesn't have that. To me that never made sense because, you create a Zram block device and then set that as your storage for swap space. Why would the kernel care, or know, that the swap space is backed by a Zram block device.
I do use Zram for my cloud self hosting machines and my dev machine. On the cloud devices they have 1 or 2 GB of ram and on my dev machine I have 32GB of ram. And in both cases it definitely seems like there is swap eviction. I also set the vm.swappiness to 180. Prior to Zram I would set my machines' swappiness to 10. Swapping is highly encouraged on my machine.
Why not just set kernel swappiness to 1 and not do any of that?
It's a Linux feature to compress some of your memory and then store it in a RAM disk. For systems with limited memory, it makes it go further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram
zram, formerly called compcache, is a Linux kernel module for creating a compressed block device in RAM, i.e. a RAM disk with on-the-fly disk compression. The block device created with zram can then be used for swap or as a general-purpose RAM disk. The two most common uses for zram are for the storage of temporary files (/tmp) and as a swap device.
I have a mini PC that has been barreling through NVMe disks but Alpine Linux’ “usb” install mode just wasn’t great either. So I use a “sys” install mode (traditional) on an NVMe disk but have directories like /var/log, /tmp, etc. on Zstandard compressed zram disks. It’s been pretty fantastic honestly.
Look at Mr. Fancy pants over here with 11 cores.
I'm just jealous
12, because they're zero-indexed.
Probably six cores with hypethreading or the AMD equivalent.
AMD’s version is called Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT). But just about everyone, even most motherboard firmware that I have seen, calls it hyperthreading still.
Which is sad. SMT is the tech, HT is the marketing from intel.
I wish, it's a Ryzen 9 5900hx with only 8cores what you seeing is threads which I have 16 of them
sneers in 48GB
I upgraded to 64GB RAM a year or so ago which I didn't really need, but it was cheap so why not.
How things have changed.
Did the same, even if it's "just" DDR4 i still feel like RAM nobility nowadays.
I bought 256 GB of DDR3 for my HP DL380p 3 or so years ago? It was $330 Canadian at the time...
It didn't suck enough already buying PC parts in Australia?
Now it's starting to look like upgrades are just a thing of the past and this is going to be my forever machine.
I hope you're wrong.
I think things are going to change. Apple is talking about buying ram from Chinese ram companies. If that happens, a lot of other companies will do the same and that should reduce pressure on ram quite a bit. I'm sure those long term contracts the AI companies have for expensive ass ram will get canceled quick.
I hope I am too, but I just looked at what a CPU, motherboard and RAM upgrade would cost and it looks like this system will be old enough to start high school by the time I replace it.
And the system after that? If I buy new in 2030, when will the one after that be? 2045?
Like with a slowly rolling unbraked car: Don't take photos if you can prevent the crash
…... I don’t get it.
I'm guessing memory almost full and no swap space
Is it just me or building with
cmake --build --parallel
Crashes with out of memory every time? Maybe it depends on the project but idk
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