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submitted 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) by Dave@lemmy.nz to c/newzealand@lemmy.nz

My abridged version:

When a Wellington second-hand bookstore started to get bulk book orders, owner Anne-Marie Thorby smelt a rat. A Canadian buyer was sending multiple book orders to Book Haven in Newtown, sometimes minutes apart, for niche texts on New Zealand specific subjects.

“They were local non-fiction niche books, so New Zealand local history, a tourist pamphlet on Waitomo Caves, Māori language books, New Zealand cookbooks, biographies, political cartoons, very niche - the local anglers club.”

“A $10 book could end up costing $40, so ridiculous. It had to be something else. That's when we did some sleuthing and contacted AbeBooks, their little online forum.”

These kinds of odd orders were happening around the world, she says.

“Tens of thousands of books being bought by this one company to go to a warehouse in the USA. It was India, it was Europe, it was us, and it wasn't just us in New Zealand, there were other bookshops.”

AI companies are buying these books and training their large language models, sometimes destroying books in the process. It's the only way for them to do it, she says.

“They're not recycling, they're devouring them, they're destroying them. One of the quotes from the Anthropic court case was, Project Panama - so this is from the company, from Anthropic - Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world.”

When she realised what was happening, she cancelled all the orders, she says.

Her advice to fellow bookshop owners?

“Don't do it. Don't feed the machine. Pause and think.”

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[-] ooo_shiny@lemmy.nz 5 points 13 hours ago

This is sad. Good on the shopkeeper for cancelling the orders.

It’s also astounding that the quest for information to subsume is so relentless that AI companies are now after niche books about little old NZ.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 3 points 13 hours ago

The impression I get, is that the AI companies have a big list of ISBNs and are likely doing automated search and order of the books wherever they can find them. The obscurity of the orders is likely because these are the hard to find books that they couldn't just order on Amazon.

The idea of scanning every book to create a new library of Alexandria is great, if only it was done with noble aims instead of to train proprietary AI models and destroy the books.

[-] ooo_shiny@lemmy.nz 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Yes — I’d say your impression of the situation is right.

I see your library of Alexandria and raise you the Tower of Babel, which as we all know, came crashing down… I wonder for how long society will let the AI companies build their massive edifices.

Edit: upon checking my bible stories, ‘crashing down’ is not quite the right description of what happened with the Tower, but that’s not really the main point.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 13 hours ago

Edit: upon checking my bible stories, ‘crashing down’ is not quite the right description of what happened with the Tower, but that’s not really the main point.

Haha I'm sure we can still draw some parallels. Something about trying to build up to be equals with God.

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