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submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Another Reddit refugee here,

I think we're all familiar with the Karma system on Reddit. Do you think Lemmy should have something similar? Because I can see cases for and against it.

For: a way to tracking quality contributions by a user, quantifying reputation. Useful to keep new accounts from spamming communities.

Against: Often not a useful metric, can be botted or otherwise unearned (see u/spez), maybe we should have something else?

What do you all think?

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Lemmy actually already has something called "reputation". You have -3 sorry.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No.

But if it did I'd prefer if it was divided into categories of some kind. Like, people often downvote content when they disagree, even if the content itself is good quality, or they might be posting legitimately funny/topical meme/jokes in a community where joking is discouraged.

It might be interesting to have a few options for votes, like agree/disagree, high-quality/low-quality, appropriate-forum/inappropriate-forum, or something that that effect.

So I could vote a post that is well-written and on-topic but that I disagree with as disagree, high-quality, appropriate. Or I could vote a joke reply that is on-topic and funny, but in a serious-only community as no-vote, high-quality, inappropriate.

Honestly, that would probably be a disaster in practice, but it might at least be a fun disaster!

In any case, I agree with others who suggest that vote tallies should be attached to posts, not users, at least publicly. There might be some utility to allowing mods or admins to see tallies for users.

Oh, and it seems to me that whatever system is used Lemmy-wide should provide some freedom for instances to handle user/post karma in the ways that they prefer and in a way that works well with federation.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

No internet points, please!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

No. This isn't reddit. Want Karma? Go to reddit.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Hard no on karma.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I like it for filtering out low quality posters, but as we learned at /r/, that just led to the bots re-posting top posts for karma so they could then be used for spamming.

I think our society is likely better off without a persistent cumulative score next to our names, though.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I never saw the point, all it ever did was make people karma farm.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

No. There would be so many reposts and low effort posts and those annoying ''funny'' comments.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Absolutely not, karma was one of the worst parts of reddit

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

We don't need people Karma Whoring.

Karma is a great indicator of the popularity of what you're posting to help you post more excepted things. There's no reason for us to bring the reddit pissing contest here.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Nope, it's fine the way it is right now. if its on the front page good. if not people gotta earn there upvotes. Karma whoreing makes it a competion for everyone. Everyone will be out for themselves and it will turn into reddit.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Upvotes and downvotes are nice in that they suggest that I'm not posting or commenting into the void.

I'm not overly interested in my grand total.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

No. We don't need to make Reddit again. Let's do something else.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I'm a bit confused on this. We do need a way to filter spammers and bot accounts but karma didn't completely work on reddit.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

The only instance I can think of Karma being beneficial is in highly specific forums where user reputation could be an important metric for new users, or those seeking info. Very limited.

When it gets to something as general as this it just becomes popularity/feel-good points. Not necessarily evil, but no real benefit. Upvotes are still a thing for that social media dopamine hit.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I'd rather not have karma at all; or at the very least they should try something different instead of just copying what reddit did.

Some servers already decided to disable either the system completely or just the downvotes.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Karma is just a drug for Reddit addicts. Just let each post stand on its own regardless of who posts it. We don't need that extra layer of crap. I always disliked that.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I couldn't really see the point at Reddit (seemed like an idea someone has once early on that got stuck) and I don't think it'd be that helpful here. If we are looking for ways to differentiate ourselves from Reddit, then that'd be one.

Let the quality of someone's account be measured by the quality of the posts they make.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, because it can be an indicator of reputation of someone.

No, because of the ease of getting it, as well as it can be a basis of someone's ego.

Actually, any number that is attached to person has the same set of pros and cons, except of the ease, persumably. This includes SO's rep system, Reddit's karma system, YouTube subscriber/view/video count, Twitter followers/post count, etc. Adding karma system to Lemmy may have its side effects, but even there isn't one, it may not matter since Lemmy has post and comments counts.

EDIT: In the end, when I'm reading Reddit or Lemmy, I gave no attention to the karma, and instead the vote count of the post/comment itself. Call me ignorant, but whatevs.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I don’t think it necessarily needs karma like Reddit, but I think a reputation system of some sort is going to be required for open federation to remain viable as federated systems grow. Just looking at account age and post history isn’t good enough if the bad actor owns a server and wants to put some effort into spamming or harassing people.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

kbin has karma. i actually really like that i don't see my karma here. on reddit i became too focused on it, and so wasn't my True self.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Anyone here old enough to remember slashdot? I liked their karma system. The maximum a post could get was +5, and I think the minimum was -1. I don't quite recall the details, but it was pretty effective. People didn't shamelessly karma farm because there wasn't any point. If you are at +5 there's nowhere else to go.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I don't want Karma, but I'd really like to get notifications when a post or comment of mine hits certain vote thresholds, e.g. 5/10/50/100/... upvotes/downvotes. I think this would help me get a feel of how my posts are received. Currently, if a post of mine gets 50 upvotes, I most likely won't ever notice unless I actively monitor all of my posts.

But with the notification I'd get a nice dopamine rush as reward for posting good content ;)

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

No, because karma's a bitch.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

No. I think the numbers game lowers the level of discourse.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Id say no. Karma leads to gamification and gamification leads to enshittification.

I’d rather have lower traffic and higher quality. Karma is of real benefit only to commercial owners, not users.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I thought it did already. what are these voting buttons

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Karma is tied to an account. Just up/down votes on posts does not stick with the account that posted it.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

They apply to the post or comment, but they don't count to the user at all.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Karma was always so irrelevant for me, I won't miss it.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think Karma was responsible for people always trying to make a witty comment and made them way to attached to their account. I don't think that it's a healthy system an can live good without it.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Karma ruined Reddit. Let's not repeat the same mistake here.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Please, don't

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

for what purpose?

i genuinly cant think of any reason other than encourage reposting bots

personally i dont care at all about karma.

so long as the upvote/downvote system works, regarding post (and comment) visibility etc.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Well, karma itself isnt a bad idea in my opinion, but making it visible to others isnt. Making it hidden will stop the karmafarming.

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