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[–] 144 points 1 month ago

You buy a new one so the c level can buy another yacht

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  • [–] 84 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    My car is so old it makes its own cloud!

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  • [–] 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (83 children)

    I'll never buy a vehicle that requires cloud connectivity for anything. Not a problem!

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    [–] 74 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    In a sane world, there would be a law that forces certain types of features to always work.

    Cloud connectivity can have benefits but honestly, 95+% of a car’s feature does not need the internet

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Most cars throughout history have had zero need for the internet. I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later. Though there are benefits to that model, but recalls exist for a reason.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later.

    Too late. This is already the case, I don't know of a single EV that wasn't buggy on release and still buggy a year or two afterwards as the manufacturer hunts bugs in a leisurely pace. It already is like in the gaming industry. Don't buy an EV that isn't at least one year old on the market or you will become their free of charge beta tester...

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    We need a Stop Killing Cars movement

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    In response to some customer concerns of a dead battery resulting from the DCM continually trying to access the 3G cellular network, which is no longer available

    https://www.theautopian.com/why-subaru-batteries-are-dying-all-across-the-country/

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    WOW... we were trying to hunt down why my buddy's forestor's battery kept dying....

    We even disconnected the wire that tells the alternator to stop charging the battery...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So you'd also get screwed if you routinely are parked somewhere without any cellular access? Nice design.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    Just picture it - You drive your Subaru, the off-road adventure car company, to a camp site in a remote area. You wake up after a few days of hiking and camping to return to your car.

    The battery is dead. If you camp too close to the car, the key fob being close to the car will leave it in a "standby" mode which drains the battery on top of the car pinging the server for updates.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago

    vehicle … cloud

    Flying cars sure turned out differently than we imagined in sci-fi.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Is this article presuming that this isn't part of the plan? Auto manufacturers think our brains work like "oh no, my connected service was end-of-lifed. Guess I gotta buy a new car."

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People already have been brainwashed on "how many years of security updates does this smartphone model have?", and being paranoid about older-than-a-few-years devices, so you're not far off.

    (Not trying to diminish the necessity of software security updates, but at the same time I could not find any Android exploits that do not involve users installing malicious apps, supply chain attacks, or state actors)

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    [–] 43 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    This is what the GPL was meant to fight against. Having boxes running software that is still under the control of the manufacturer.

    Instead people complained that it was hard to use the code at work. YES. THAT'S THE POINT.

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    [–] 27 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Slate Auto: "Cloud? Oh, you mean that completely optional telematics thingy that's intended more for business fleets! Yeah, that's excluded by default on our vehicle."

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    [–] 25 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I have yet to own a vehicle made in the 21st century.

    I'm terrified of having to get a vehicle that requires software updates that eventually will stop receiving support. I'm also terrified of getting a vehicle with just generally shitty software. My gf's car has awful software and there's nothing she can do about it.

    Just give me 90s era cars again. They last forever and they're easy to repair on your own.

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    [–] 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    In my opinion it should be illegal to shutdown as long as they have cars. I would not buy any device that requires internet access to work with basic functionality.

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    [–] 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The cloud? I've owned many a vehicle who's company doesn't exist anymore XD No car should be tied to any cloud or connectivity crap for use

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    [–] 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    We must create some legalisation on this else a buch of smart cars are going to turn into dumb bricks.

    In contrary to what many are saying I don't think going back to plain cars is the solution. I think an open standard would be the solution here to provide an option to self-host or connect to provider.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Doesn't even need a technical solution. Could just be some law that in order to sell a vehicle:

    • A company has to maintain any cloud support for at least 20 years.

    • They have to put up a bond that will allow such services to continue even if they go belly up before those 20 years are through.

    • All vehicle features where cloud connections are not essential to their function must be operable without any cloud connection. So it's fine if after 20 years you can't pull the contacts from your google account to display on the car's screen, or if GPS map updates no longer work. But the door locks or seat heaters better not be cloud connected.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    It's crazy that "local first" has to apply to cars now.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My car is a 2009. I'll be keeping it for the foreseeable future. I'm pretty handy, so as long as the engine doesn't wreck itself (interference engine), I'll just keep changing out parts, oil, fluids, etc...

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    My new vehicle has remote start, but only via the app. It's a useful feature but frustrating that my trim level doesn't also have it available via the keyfob. Once the manufacturer ends support for my vehicle I will lose the feature out-right.

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    [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    You just throw it out and buy a new one. Duh.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    We'll need new regulation to stop this. And, we won't get it with the capitalists in charge.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    No worries, your cloud vehicle will not survive the cloud. Its electronics are so noumerous and irrepairable that cloud cars will never reach the age of cars build in the past.

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