I like the idea of ebikes, but how do you keep them from getting stolen? Bike theft of more expensive bikes is a growing industry in many cities.
Yeah, this is always a concern. Bike thieves unfortunately have the edge at this point, since they can make quick work of most U-locks with an angle grinder. Following my historic rule of thumb that I will spend around 10% of the cost of the bike on a lock, I settled on a LiteLok X1 for my current ebike, which purports to have some resistance to grinders?
Most of the time though, I'm riding to and from work, and have indoor storage at either end. When running errands, I have different levels of paranoia that trigger different behaviours. If I'm just hopping into a fast food joint and sitting where I can see the bike, I might only self-lock it with a chain lock I kept around from my older bike. Max theft deterrence would entail both locks + remove battery + remove seat. But I've never left my bike parked out overnight anywhere. That's just asking for it.
One thing to keep in mind with range is that it can vary a lot. Sometimes my trip home uses like 10-20% of the batter, other times it uses 50-60%. Some of that is an issue of how much I'm pedaling vs how much assistance, but I've gotten only 20% used on a trip home I made standing up and not pedalling at all because my back had gotten hurt (granted, I rolled through all the stop signs I could due to said back pain; how much you slow down and accelerate makes a big difference).
If throttles are allowed, they're nice for when you have an injury or solid fever and still need to get home. In the US, I think class 3 (28mph/45kph cap on assistance) aren't allowed throttles but class 2 (20mph/32kph cap on assistance) are allowed them.
If throttles are allowed, they’re nice for when you have an injury or solid fever and still need to get home.
This may be in the tmi category, but they can also be a life saver when you really need to take a dump. Like you can hold it in just a bit longer if you don't have to pedal!
A few tips:
- Folding ones are easier to carry and store. You may not need a car rack if you want to take it far away. Steel ones are sturdier, but heavier. Carbon fiber ones are lighter but more expensive.
- Look for something that has both torque and cadence sensors. It affects how quickly you get going when starting from standing still. Also when changing elevations, how quickly the motor kicks in.
- Step through vs. step over. Step through is easier to get on/off.
- Definitely invest in a shock-absorber seat. They're not that expensive online. Front shock absorbers are good too on rutted roads.
- Fat tire ones make a loud noise when riding over paved roads. But they handle better if you hit a patch of dirt or in rain.
- Mudguards on front and back are absolutely necessary in rain.
- Look for water rating on the battery. IP6x is good, but if you have a lot of rain, IP7x is better.
- Don't believe the range they cite. Rule of thumb is divide in half for a realistic range. And always leave 10-20%. You reallly don't want to run out of juice at the end of a long ride.
- If the charger is a USB-C PD one, it'll be easier to replace. Unfortunately, a lot of bike vendors use their own proprietary ones.
- Get one assembled, from a bike shop instead of online. You will definitely need service or tuning, and having competent, trustworthy people (ideally, within easy riding range) will save a lot of heart-ache.
Get one assembled, from a bike shop instead of online. You will definitely need service or tuning, and having competent, trustworthy people (ideally, within easy riding range) will save a lot of heart-ache
Luckily there's a shop within a couple bus stops from my home, can even walk there if needed. Thanks for the tips!
I very much regret having fat tires on mine. Slightly wider than typical mountain bike would’ve been ideal for me probably. They add so much weight and rolling resistance, and I doubt I’ve ridden anywhere where they were a boon.
+1 to avoiding extra wide tires, unless you do a lot of beach riding on the side. I used to sell bikes of all kinds.
Honestly just go with some nice puncture resistant mountain bike tires, since all extra width increases rolling resistance. Since people tend to plow on with e-bikes, I wouldn't go thinner than 1.75in, as the beefiness does keep your tires safer from road issues like gravel, sharps, etc.
Yup I actually forgot to mention the thickness. My area has TONS of nasty thorns when going off road and I just pick them out every couple months, you’d never know otherwise. But you don’t need fat for thick!
What about snow? Do they help with snow?
If it's deep snow and you need to float on top of it they can help. Otherwise if it's packed down snow then a more standard tire is likely going to get more grip due to the smaller contact patch.
But for ice or icy snow, studded tires always do best.
Got it, thanks!
Two things:
- Ebikes are heavy, like 30-40 KG. While foldable bikes are great just be aware you still need to carry a significant weight.
- When they list max carrying capacity, check the fine print, I have found almost every time the max carrying capacity includes the weight of the bike. If it says 100kg carrying capacity that almost always means 100kg - 35kg bike weight = actual carrying capacity of 65kg.
Good luck. Have fun.
e-bikes are not at all necessarily that heavy, mine's literally a normal bike with electronics added and weighs 21kg.
I feel like a lot of people mean american style pedal mopeds when they say "e-bike".
Thank you!
I commute only 9km daily, also often with an eBike. In Europe, the motor is only allowed to support: you have to pedal, no just pressing a button or turning a handle. The support is also limited to 25 km/h. You can of course go faster, but not with help from the motor. Saying so this, the one-way takes me pretty much exactly 20 minutes. I charge the bike daily (500wh battery I think), but can probably do 2 days if I start fully charged and fine mind running it fully down to sub 10%. Wish it's 3 years old now.
This is using a normal sized ebike. Foldability is sometimes a serious damper for comfort or range (or both), but doesn't have to be. What in trying to say: Be sure to try it out first, if it can do that distance 2x on a charge, or if you need to bring the charger (probably). Cash you ride that comfortably enough that you can sit on it for 45+ minutes? These kinds of questions...
Thank you for the suggestion! I'm currently trying to find bike rentals in the city, specifically to check if it'll be comfy or not
Okay, if you want something foldable then you have to sacrifice some other things along the way. First and foremost would be the battery capacity. If you have a foldable bike then in all logic it should reduce your maximum battery capacity.
Since you're heavy, it means your maximum distance would also be reduced. In that way, 30+ km is possible, but it also means each and every transit would cost a full battery cycle.
Now, for the rest : any mountain bike that can fit 2.40 or 2.60" tyres should do the job. Don't go for fat bikes, except if your endgoal is to cycle on sand. They will also drain your battery much faster.
Considering these, either you get an electric mountainbike that will easily handle everything except the portability (I have a Cube eBike and can go up to 90+km on eco settings with 700m+ elevation difference. However, that number goes down if I go on higher electric assistance, but can easily put 45+ km on level 2 or 3. I, too, am very heavy.) Or you get everything else, but you might have a lower battery life. That means you will have to chose the eco mode and pedal harder. On the bright side it means you will lose fat faster !
Thank you!
Fat bikes are great for sand but also some kinds of snow and are pretty good in mud too. They are also inefficient and more likely to be punctured, suffer from pinch flats, etc.
Yeah I have fat tires and concur that they are more prone to puncturing. It's not a bad idea to get some of that slime stuff that can seal small punctures in a pinch. The wider frame can also make them harder to lock up at bike racks. Otoh they just glide over mud, grass, gravel, light snow, etc. effortlessly. I think in retrospect though, I'd probably go with mountain bike tires on my next ride? They seem like a good compromise.
If you need a lot of climbing, you want either a robust direct-drive hub, or a mid-drive. The heat in hubs that accumulates during climbing can heat up, weaken the gear set and cause it to fail under load. Max rider weight is probably the most difficult to optimize variable. Most bike specs I've seen top out at 120kg.
Most bike specs I’ve seen top out at 120kg.
That's including the bike itself, right?
Usually yes. Cargo bikes tend to have higher capacities. There are compact electric cargos but not sure abt foldable.
So, since I assume OP is at the ebikes 101 level, let me elaborate a bit on hub drives vs mid-drives.
If you have to climb steep grades, a mid-drive can have an advantage because you can lower the gear and it helps the motor. With a hub drive, the gearing has no effect (though it can still help you with pedalling, of course), so you may need a more powerful motor. I think historically, mid-drives have been more popular in Europe than North America because there were stricter restrictions on how powerful the motor can be. I don't know if that's still the case?
One advantage of hub drives is that it's easy to add a throttle mode (where you don't have to pedal at all). It's getting harder to find a hub drive ebike that doesn't have a throttle these days.
Also, in principle, the motor can be on either the front or rear wheel. ebike conversions like to put it on the front, since the front wheel is easier to replace. I find this interesting, in that in some sense, you're getting an all-wheel drive bike! Like the motor drives the front wheel while your pedalling drives the rear. Might be good in snow? Less fish-tailing? That's just speculation, though. I haven't actually tried it.
ebikes 101 level
Yeeeeaaah, pretty much. Thank you
Just did my first FWD hub conversion. So much easier than matching cassettes on weird sized hub bodies, stretching frames, etc. My previous conversions were rear hubs and mids.
Oh cool! I really want to try out a FWD!
Your requirements don't seem that crazy, I think you have a good chance of finding something! I'd say maybe check Upway (if they deliver to your area) for slightly used ebikes? I've ordered from them once and their prices are extremely good. Also maybe see if the foldable criteria is really something you want? That form factor usually means that you'll have a derailleur instead of a hub gear, a front or back wheel motor instead of a mid-drive and the battery life usually isn't great on those either since they need to be reasonably light (well.. like 18-25kg is considered reasonable). If you went for a regular sized bike you'd have a lot more options and way better specs at like half the price. Bike theft insurance is surprisingly cheap (I pay like 20€ a year to insure my 1k€ bike) so maybe just parking on the street could be fine?
check Upway
Don't deliver to my area, sadly. Regarding foldability (is that a word?) - it's more so the bike could fit into the elevator. I really don't want to be hauling the darn thing several stories up, you know? Tried that with my old acoustic bike and it was a chore. And idk if I want to park the bike in or outside the building (I'll have to park it outside at work, but there are cameras and such)
And idk if I want to park the bike in or outside the building
Oh, definitely in if you can make that work! There's a lot of bike theft going around, thanks to those damn battery-powered angle grinders.
At a glance, your requirements seem pretty achievable but I want to ask:
What kind of terrain is your commute? Good roads? Bad roads? Nothing offroad? Most e-bikes can handle either but the type of tire you go with in the long run may be important.
Absent this info, I think the Ride1up Portola (this is usually my daily driver, unless I'm using a bicycle). If you pedal a lot, the stock battery will probably work, alternately you could get the extended range battery. The only major change I might suggest is swapping to smoother tires if you ride exclusively on roads in good repair (Super Moto X or Urban Contacts would both be good choices).
If you are feeling spendier, a mid drive bike will certainly be better at climbing, however, I've found the hub drive on my Portola to be adequate enough to climb even steeper hills at 15+mph as long as I pedal too (throttle probably works too, but I pretty much always pedal).
I'll have to say "bad roads", because I don't intend to ride off-road, but the quality of paving here varies. Could be smooth and fresh asphalt, could be potholes and cracks. But no mud roads or anything, unless you count sleet in winter
The Portola or something similar could work for you but visit your local bike shops to see what they have and will service to save yourself some potential frustration even if you are a good bike mechanic/electrical engineer in your own right. They might not always let you do test rides on ebikes but you can at least make sure the bike fits you. Having a bike that fits you is really important.
Also, I made your post featured so you can get more responses. Good luck, there are lots of solid bikes out there, try to stick with known brands. Ideally, buy one from your local bike shop so you have a place to get warranty and maintenance work done.
Thank you for the feature! It's unexpected, and warm
One other thing you might want to consider is handlebar height? I have an Aventon bike which is great in most respects except I wish the handlebars were higher and I could sit in a more upright position. I'm a commuter. I don't need to be all streamlined or whatever. Next time I buy a new bike, I think I will prioritize comfort more over other specs.
Couldn't you just replace the handlebars? It should just be a couple bolts and removing the old grips if its a mtb style bike. Might want someone to help hold stuff while you swap out the handlebars to avoid having to deal with the cables.
Yeah, the guy at the local ebike shop did mention I could theoretically switch out to bmx-style handlebars, though it might necessitate some rewiring if the existing wiring cannot reach that height? I haven't done so, but it's an interesting thought.
If you have the handlebars more backwards or dutch style handlebars, that could also potentially lead to a more upright position without adding much length. Also eventually some cables are supposed to be replaced, so you could just do it all at once if you get to that point.
Thank you, that is something I have failed to consider. I'm not tall, so with low bars it'll probably be a hunched pose? Gonna have to look into it
What's the total elevation climb over your ride? Regeneration isn't equivalent to energy spent.
Should be about 100-140 meters, the incline would depend on the route. It's basically the height difference between river banks
Regen's main benefit is that it helps control speed on long descents, saving your brakes from heating up/extra wear and tear. Any range it adds will likely be pretty minimal and you need to remember you can't use it if your battery is full.
I like my Ride1up Portola and it should fit your requirements but they aren't in every market. Get something decent from your LBS so you can get local support if something goes wrong.
Went to check, and those aren't available here. At least not that I found. Thanks though!
What market?
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