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There also was a contemporary nuncheon "light mid-day meal," from noon + Middle English schench "drink."
https://www.etymonline.com/word/lunch
It's fucking beverage all the way down in English.
Bonus:
BRIBE. Lunch'd O dear! Permit me, my dear Mrs. Prattle, to refresh my sponge, upon the honey dew that clings to your ravishing pouters. O! Mrs. Prattle, this shall be my lunch.
There's morning tea which is a light meal between breakfast and lunch.
Why is this usage of tea so confusing for everybody? We re-use words all the time in English. It's a very simple concept. Imagine if a musician asked about the key of a song and everybody was like "KEY? LIKE A CAR KEY? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SONGS DONT HAVE KEYS! IVE NEVER BEEN SO CONFUSED IN MY LIFE"
Up north we say "tea" for evening meal. That's it. Explanation sorted.
Terrible example and it's just demonstrating that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes for even a moment.
You understand that usage of tea because you used it your entire life, someone who hasn't would rightfully be confused.
Ok it was a deliberately silly example for emphasis. Here's a real example. I went to Australia once and in the airport somebody referred to my Mentos as "lolly". To me, lollies are on a stick. Apparently not to aussies. It threw me off for half a second, but that's it. Confused is an overstatement.
Yeah but the context clues are a hell of a lot easier there. You're holding an object, and if someone called it a chupa-chupa or a sucker most people would be able to put that together pretty easily
Now imagine you're going through stretches and someone walks in and is like "oh, playing football are you". You could be preparing to go outside and play football... But you're just stretching
I think most people would be confused by that unexpected second meaning of a familiar word
Imagine you are cooking a chicken. Your flatmate walks in, sees what you're doing, and says, oh, are you making coffee?
You wouldn't be just a little bit confused at first?
But when my Irish friend wants to smoke a cigarette, everybody loses their fucking mind.
It still confuses me that I can have a cup of coffee with somebody without actually drinking coffee. (In English and my mother tongue as well.)
As a coffee drinker, if I was invited for some coffee and did not in fact get any coffee I'd be both a little confused and a little annoyed.
In Brazil, "café da manhã" (morning coffee) is the term for breakfast, but it's often shortened to just "café."
There was a mobile blood donation set up during Covid and I asked the group chat if it was okay to have coffee before donating, and the response was, "Yes, you should definitely be well-fed before donating blood."
bruh because it's confusing that a meal is named after a beverage, it's not the double naming that's confusing
Yeah, but as someone who grew up down south and has lived in the north for the majority of my life:
Breakfast, lunch, dinner
Very clear, no fucker doesn't know what you're talking about
Breakfast, dinner, tea
What the fuck are you playing at, skipping lunch and having a drink to compensate?
Get in the sea
Tea is important enough in this country to not use the word again, especially not for the second most important thing: dinner
It's ok how much you like tea. I'm sorry they hurt you about it. Tea is super neat and fun and good. You are super neat and fun and good.
If they didn’t want to have tea, why the fuck were they making it at tea time?
Well, according to British Standard 6008 (ISO 3103), the preparation of a liquor of tea requires a tea leaf.
I don't know why I have that knowledge in my back pocket, nor the urge to share that information, but there you go.
Have I been confused this when time? If I get invited to have tea am I being invited to a meal? I thought it was like getting coffee.
Offer of a hot beverage:
- Would you like a tea?
- How about a tea?
- (Shouting from kitchen) - Tea?
Even less ambiguous if cuppa/brew etc. is used Typically only offered in the morning or afternoon if you have just 'popped round'.
Offer of dinner:
- Would you like to stay for tea?
- Come round mine for tea
- Have you had tea yet?
- Oh you should stay for tea
Typically if you you weren't intending on staying or are being explicitly invited over.
Don't see how any of this could be confusing at all to people not born into it with innate understanding 😅
Haha, wow! People in different cultures have different words for different things!
It was a subtle hint to request tea be made by the person already using the oven/stove.
Apparently some Australian families refer to the midday meal as "dinner" instead of "lunch" which I only learned after hesitantly sitting down for "dinner" at 1pm.
Very common in the UK too. Lunch is dinner, dinner is dinner, dinner is tea, tea is also a specific type of afternoon meal (scones and sandwiches).
Even then, people will just say something like 'morning tea' instead of breakfast.
It's a linguistic war zone.
And if you want actual tea, you ask for a 'cuppa'
What the fuck.
Have never heard anyone call lunch anything other than that, unless it is a tradie who might say 'smoko' for lunch or a 15 minute snack break.
Aussie terms for meals:
Breakfast/brekkie
Morning tea/smoko*
Lunch (or brunch if its ~9-11am)
Afternoon tea/arvo tea*
Dinner/Tea
Dessert/Sweets*
*morning/arvo tea are primarily for social sit downs and would be like biscuits/scones and a cup of tea/coffee (having a cuppa with friends/family, small meetings with clients, retirees with nothing better to do)
- dessert/sweets is if your having something after dinner, like some pie/crumble with ice cream, pancakes, etc)
Also 'entree' is a small course before the main meal in dinner, the USA confused the fuck out of me when i visited.
Back in the day, the noon/midday meal was called dinner also in the US. Particularly in rural areas. And for some of us boomers it's still dinner. Growing up on a farm, Breakfast was 6am-ish thing after chores were done, (you could sneak in some jelly toast before chores if you weren't to lazy to get up early enough), the noon dinner, and you always came home to eat it, was a full meal deal because you had spent your morning often doing heavy manual labor. Plus your afternoon was going to be no different. You got lunch a 4pm because supper was a 7pm-ish meal, (often heavy on the "ish" part depending on what went wrong during the afternoon).
We evidently didn't get the memo about changing dinner to lunch until much, much later. Besides, we would have needed to rename "lunch" to something else for the 4pm break. I still call the noon meal dinner to this day. You can call it whatever you like, because I don't sweat those details.
We also say "tea" when referring to gossip.
I suppose hot chicken broth could be considered a tea?
Careful with that kind of thinking! If you don't watch out, you risk entering Salad Theory territory 😬



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