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[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ukraine is doing better than all pre-war expectations. This isn’t a game and war is often slow. We must continue to support Ukraine, as the alternative is to prove to the dictators of the world they just need to wait for a few years and the west will get bored of helping those they wish to conquer.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Exactly. This war needs to be a loss for Russia if we want to avoid future wars with other victims. So even if Ukraine and Russia both lose in the end that would still be a better outcome than if Russia can see itself or can be seen by nations with similar ambitions as anything resembling the winner.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Besides, every year we support Ukraine, the Russian economy and society suffers more for this dumb decision by the dictator they continue to support

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which is rather unfortunate for the citizens...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Sure. But what is the alternative?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago

Fuck putin and fuck his dumb fucking war.

Slava Ukraini!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The war isn't a map-painter. Conquering dirt isn't the point.

Ukraine has been attacking with roughly force parity and inflicting roughly the same amount of casualties they're incurring.

Ukraine has been defending with roughly force parirty and inflicting 14 times the casualties they're incurring.

Ukraine has been doing exactly what they have to do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Ukraine has been attacking with roughly force parity and inflicting roughly the same amount of casualties they're incurring.

I don't have any source for this, bit this sounds incredible good, having the same number of casualties when attacking a regular army that's in a defensive position? Like how much better so you want it to be?

Obviously war still sucks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why am I getting a ton of downvotes for providing a link? Not that it matters much, but it's curious.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I suppose the title is a kind of negative one towards Ukraine.

I watched the video and it's also fairly negative. Some is probably fair, but some probably not.

I don't think that the infighting over Biden's aid bill shows much of a change in the US away from support for Ukraine, for example, which DW claimed -- the driving issue isn't opposition to the bill, but Republicans wanting to condition its passage on getting unrelated policies that they want. That sort of thing is something of a property of the American political system -- when important bills go through, using them as leverage to get other things one wants can happen, given that approval by two legislative houses and the President are generally required, and those may not be in political agreement -- it's rare for one party to control all three. Leveraging their ability to block legislation is a way for one of the three to get other legislation that they want.

I also think that while Ukraine's counteroffensive towards the Sea of Azov might be useful to Ukraine, even a successful counteroffensive alone is unlikely to end the war, nor is it necessary that it succeed for Ukraine to obtain favorable terms. DW presented the counteroffensive as being somewhat the point on which the war hinged, which I don't think is accurate. Russia could continue the war even if cut off from Crimea, and Russia is not guaranteed to win a war of attrition.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All fair comments, which they should have been imho. But I suppose it's the way the world works now, downvotes instead of being constructive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It's Internet. Propaganda, lies and mistakes are everywhere. You simply can't go through all of them and patiently explain the flaws of the bad stuff, especially when trolls get involved on top. Downvote is not a perfect way to go around this, but is one way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Russian propaganda headline at a time when Russia is doing another media push