My support for Carney was to keep PP out. Singh did not give me the confidence that he could do that. I still vote NDP at the provincial level (although my riding has been Conservative forever alas) - the federal NDP hasn’t really inspired much confidence but Marit is killing it at the provincial level in Ontario.

He didn't, Pete and Trump did.

Singh unfortunately didn't help the cause much. But I think it was actually Pollievre who helped Carney with such incredible efficiency. I agree, it makes no sense, but PP's innate reality distortion field was apparently large enough to cause some sort of gravitational lensing around Carney too that made him temporarily look like an anti-Trump.

I also think Carney did particularly well on the military topic, especially compared to previous Liberal positions, which might have genuinely appealed to some NDP voters disillusioned with the NDP's traditionally weak stance on defense, in light of the active military threats against us and our allies.

Personally, I understand where the NDP's defense policy is coming from, and I think it's responsible and probably even the right way to approach it holistically. We don't need to beg Europe to partner with us, even if they're obviously willing to, we have everything we need to develop our own military and industry on our own, but it will take time for those investments to pay off, and I get the desire to shortcut some of that with European assistance. But maybe people thought we wouldn't be able to have socialism and kick Trump and Putin's teeth in at the same time. I don't know.

I gave up on the NDP after years of mismanagement. I voted for the party of Jack and was alright with Mulcair. But under Jagmeet the party has been run into the ground.

That year where Jagmeet and the NDP propped up the obviously dead Trudeau government was the final straw. Willfully choosing to support a wildly unpopular prime minister to avoid the election was gross and made a mockery of their name. If you want to be taken seriously as a party and a leader, you have to be in it to win. There could have been an opportunity to become the opposition again and maybe replace the Liberals in time. Instead they chose to sacrifice their own party. If they don’t even want to be a serious party, why the hell should I vote for them?

Jagmeet went to our strike line and said he’d take Trudeau down if they forced a deal on us. When they forced a deal on us, Jagmeet was silent. That’s why I didn’t vote for the NDP. Hopefully their new leadership actually stands by their word.

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Because literally the Conservative candidate was dramatically worse on progressive policies and there was only the slimmest chance of avoiding that fate. Until we reform voting the whole song and dance of strategic voting will favour the traditional tradeoffs of these two parties. Without vote reform we're more or less doomed to be the frog that boils slow.

with the idea of an outside threat to make yourself the national champion

That threat isn't one of Carney's (or even Trudeau's) making.

Yeah, carbon capture doesn't math. I think the saying is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The only reason why it is promoted is because the fossil fuel cartels push it as it moves the blame and focus from them to someone else's problem. Then a bunch of garbage "carbon credit" companies start up and make a lot of noise while doing basically nothing. All the while they can keep pushing for fossil fuel projects because "it's fine, carbon capture will solve it".

In my experience the NDP is willing to burn ecological resources for trivial short term gains. They are a worker party, which is fine, but they often treat 'jobs' as a goal in itself, rather than a route to quality of people's lives.

You can make lots of jobs logging old growth and building out fossil fuel infrastructure.

Edit: don't get me wrong, I'll still vote for them over other options, but my heart and wallet are with the Greens.

The problem is that they only appeal to single issue voters because their candidates are single issue voters. None of these candidates come across as "in it for the people." They come across as idealogues with little consideration for 3/4's of what their job would actually entail.

I would vote for an eco-socialist party, but none exists. Avi seems to be taking the NDP in a better direction, but unless he really steps up his charisma game I don't think he's gonna make middle class folks see the writing on the wall.