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so this is something that I find interesting.

every tech company was plagued with issues at one point or another, apple had their fair share and so did any other company. the thing is - when a flaw is found on apple products people blow it to huge dimensions. apple customers (me included) expect perfection, we expect a flawless product right out of the box, but when we don't get it we judge apple quite harshly.this is some thing iv'e never noticed with any other tech company. why?

I think this comes down to marketing and reputation.

as an example, let's compare Apples reputation with Google and Samsung - the companies making the leading android flagships in the iPhone pro line price range:

Google is known as software company, people see their pixel line as the only way to get the vanilla android experience without bloatware - as such, they don't expect the pixel line to be in the forefront of hardware innovation - and indeed their tensor chips are extremely underwhelming. people buy pixel phones for vanilla android and have no other expectations.

Samsung always had a reputation for half-assing new technologies and rushing them in order to be the first with a product utilizing the new technologies in the market. this is evident back in the days of the galaxy s4 which had face unlock years before apple launched Face ID, and in some parts of the world used their own exynos chip which was the first octa core chip utilizing ARM's big.little in a smartphone - problem was that the face unlock didn't work more than 50% of the time, and the exynos chip had a design issue that allowed either the 4 performance cores to be active or the 4 efficiency cores, which resulted in the galaxy s4 running slower and hotter than the iPhone 4 with a dual core chip. this tradition continues over the years with the galaxy watch, curved displays, and foldable phones. as a result, while on paper the galaxy phones are technological marvels, this doesn't translate well to real world use as they are full of gimmicks and bloatware and become sluggish after very little time.

now we get to Apple. apple always had the reputation of a high quality brand. they would be behind the competition in terms of features, then roll out a feature that would not work seamlessly and perfectly for the end user.

but not only that - unlike other tech bands, Apple also brands their products as a fashion statement and a status symbol. comparing an iPhone to to any other flagship phone is like comparing a Swatch to a Rolex, sure, both are watches and both tell the time, but a Rolex is made from premium materials, with utmost precision and regard to little details.

the way Apple markets their own brand causes their customer base to expect perfection from them.

obviously this affects how mistakes made by apple are blown out of proportion and remembered for years at a time while Samsung's exploding battery fiasco has fizzled out and is largely forgotten by now.

but this also comes into play in what we expect when we buy an apple product:

- when people complain about cosmetic imperfections in their apple products the comments are encouraging them to replace it. since this is unacceptable for an expensive apple device to be imperfect, while for other manufacturers, the comments ae mostly "it's a tool, use it and stop worrying"

- people are willing ro engage in endless replacement loops hoping to find their perfect unicorn device that has not even the smallest scratch, nick, dent, scuff, display unevenness or any other imperfection.

- even I, when I buy an apple product I inspect it the same way I would an expensive watch or piece of jewelry, and I always find some kind of blemish. I only recently learned to lower my standards as I come to realize that the perfect unicorn device does not exist and trying to endlessly replace devices will only waste my time and not bring me closer to getting said perfect unicorn device.

I think this could be solved in 2 ways:

  1. lowering expectations - change the marketing strategy so that the brand is no longer synonymous with premium quality, and lower prices. but this would of course hurt Apple's brand image which differentiate them from other tech companies
  2. raise standards - implement stricter QC protocols, send Apple's own QC engineers to oversee the process in factories, make warranty more flexible, maybe release devices that allow for certain cosmetic issues to be fixed on the spot, similar to how a watchmaker can polish watches. this would obviously cost a lot of money, and i'm not sure it is even possible at the large rates most apple products are manufactured at.

what do you think? is that even a problem? if so, how should it be addressed?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Are they? Apple products have several issues that influencers/reviewers don’t mention. They are afraid of being blacklisted to Apple events/review samples.

  • iOS keyboard auto correction
  • Siri
  • notifications
  • JIt restriction
  • App Store monopoly
  • NFC restrictions
  • etc
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

They did this to themselves

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The reason I love Apple, since giving up on my Windows XP box, and switching to Mac Mini way back when- 1- no crapware, like “try AOL for free” plugging up my system 2-it just worked out of the box, no difficult settings to install games that usually didn’t work anyway. Re:DOS 3-I trust Apple to battle the government on keeping my system private. Fuck back doors. 4-elegant. Simple. No learning curve from my iMac to iPhone, iPad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But the Mac does have Back Doors telling Apple what you're up to:

https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life

https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html#SpywareInMacOS

I do agree on the "no crapware", elegant, simple, integration, and literally everything else. But Apple does have Backdoors, just not to the government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Interesting, thanks. The website articles are all 2-3 years old. I wonder if there is up to date info. Software holes, or intentional spying?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

op be like.. let me elaborate a point word in 1000 words paragraph

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

You pay more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

TLDR but Apple is more expensive and marketed as premium. There you go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I think people under estimate how big an influence the media have one our lives and opinions. If they can beat up more controversy about particular entities they can keep milking views.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plus Apple has the wealth and resources of entire countries.

Yes, if I get an Apple product that has a minor blemish, or when Apple screws up, I expect better from them. Because they are the most powerful tech company on Earth.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple is the biggest (highest market cap) company in the world. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

People expect more when they pay a price premium. It's really not that complicated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Not sure what problem you are trying to solve. Apple knows it is impossible to 100% eliminate products with manufacturing defects, so they sell their products at a high enough margin to compensate for the cost of any replacement/refund request from dissatisfied customers. As a customer who understands this, I naturally keep my expectations high, and demand Apple ship me flawless products. What's the issue here?

If what you are actually trying to ask is how to stop being OCD about Apple products, that's an entirely different topic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

You want to charge high prices, make sure your product quality lives up to its price tag

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s because they are more expensive. But people now a days are willing to spend more on something that is reliable, integrates easily with their current devices, and will have a long life span.

Windows computer manufacturers did it themselves when they tried to maximize profits by pushing fastest performance cpu into shitty plastic bodies with little regard for thermal regulation, longevity of device, or ecosystem structuring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Intel just shamelessly pushing desktop CPUs into laptops with 200 watt power consumption nowadays lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That's why we have AMD Ryzen.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Adding to other comments, even though flagship Android phones and Windows laptops are sold for the same price as Apple today, historically that was not the case. Apple was always selling premium devices at a price much higher, and that premium persona of the brand sticks even today.

Apple also strives to make "devices that just work". So when it doesn't, people point it out. Other companies don't advertise their devices that way...people know that the Galaxy Fold is an experimental device, and treat it that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Premium brand, trillion dollar market cap... might have something to do with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I don't think that at his era we live there is a product without a defect either hardware, software or cosmetic
Apple just get shit because they are marketing them selves as premium and you pay more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m old enough to remember Samsung having exploding phones , imagine if that had been Apple

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Pretty much the same thing did happen to Apple but with MacBooks, there's actually a few 2015-ish models that are banned on planes.

https://www.techradar.com/news/macbook-pro-flight-ban-everything-you-need-to-know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • Apple is more expensive, and a premium product. It comes with premium expectations
  • Apple promotes their products as perfect
  • Apple doesn't have other products if one is bad. They sell 2 laptops, so if there's a problem with the keyboard it effects 1/2 their product line
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple promotes their products as perfect

Sorry, where? I literally have never seen this ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A while ago now, but their slogan literally used to be "It just works"

While they're never going to outright call their products perfect, the implication is clear.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple promotes their products as perfect

Apple fans as well. (Well, not necessarily "perfect" but definitely "better" than the competition. We've seen many cases where feature X was derided on competitors' products, but subsequently praised when Apple added it to their product line.)

Apple doesn't have other products if one is bad. They sell 2 laptops, so if there's a problem with the keyboard it effects 1/2 their product line

This point is underrated.

If Apple sold appropriately updated versions of the 2012 Mac Pro and 2015 MacBook Pro alongside the 2013–2019 cylinder Mac Pro and 2016–2021 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, then the latter two products would have gotten much less criticism.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because they hold themselves to a higher standard

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
  1. From my experience, there’s a pretty active hate brigade against apple and in media in general. Some from people who think there’s two sides of a platform war to be won. I’ve never understood why there is so much tribalism in absolutely everything. 2. Some of it comes from what gets clicks and upvotes. Nobody is going to click on an article saying “Everything is fine with the latest iPhone or MacBook”. But they will click on “Check out this thing I hate about the iPhone 15” for some reason.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because they set themselves higher than other companies

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

This guy doesn’t believe in capital letters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Holding to higher standards? Apple gets so many passes even with how slow they roll out new technologies. It’s ridiculous. I think other companies had to compete so much harder to latest and greatest hardware where Apple can essentially release almost same phone year after year and people would still buy. I don’t see any high standards in that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It comes down to price, as simple as that. Apple charges a premium, people expect a premium product.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Leave it to an apple user to know the answer and write an essay to see if someone will suck his self righteous little Weiner

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I’ve never had an issue with Apple’s QC. It’s probably the best in the industry tbh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

because it’s the most popular

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Other companies are not relevant. I own an Apple product, not a Google or a Samsung or a Dell product. I expect my hardware and software to work in a certain way. My expectations are based on the product I own, not products that someone else sells.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple says their stuff is better. You use it our way, and it'll work. But sometimes it doesn.t

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Translation. Apple products have flaws but we shouldn’t talk about them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Fo me its because of my decades long experience with Apple users that don't acknowledge issues with the products. I've had Apple types say their laptops never crash while I'm trying to revive their frozen, gray screened Apple laptop. I've also had Apple types ask me in Android phones play music.

Now, I've had pretty much every major Apple product since the original Mac, yes including the Newton, first digital camera, first laptops etc. Like their IBM and HP and Dell counterparts, they've all been equally flawed.

Not admitting that they are flawed is what annoys me. Lots of Apple users in my family, and I even switched my Mom to an iPhone and Apple Watch from Android. So, I see the value for the right person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because Apple financially expects more of their customers than other tech companies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Look at the prices and you have your answer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is the "higher standard" you are referring to the basic and fairly widely-established consumer right to not have faulty products else the manufacturer addresses the issue?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Deep Pockets. Lawyers sue companies that have money for obvious reasons. Countries tax/restrict/fine companies that have money for many of the same reasons, along with protecting their own local companies in the same business.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because they are better. They focus on quality of design. Not just rushing to be first.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

as an example, let's compare Apples reputation with Google and Samsung - the companies making the leading android flagships in the iPhone pro line price range:

The iPhone 15 Pro Max is 300€ more expensive than my Pixel 8 Pro was...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

correct, but both the iPhone 15 pro and pixel 8 pro cost about the same.

happy cake day!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple has always been subject to great scrutiny and criticism since before the iPhone even was released. Some of the hate is a reaction to Apple's inflated marketing "It just works", "It's magical." and touting "new" features that others had already done earlier (at least in some form). Some is backlash to how loyal and effusive its customer base is, and their ability to overlook what are perceived as shortcomings by certain market segments whose desires are not being addressed.

I think that some criticism still comes from longtime Apple haters who resent the fact that the company didn't just die in its beleaguered days before Steve Jobs returned to the company.

As an Apple customer since 1984, I feel that Apple deserves to be criticized for some things like not having user upgradable RAM and mass storage, not supporting third party repair shops with OEM parts to make affordable component level repairs instead of expensive entire subassembly swaps. Overcharging for memory upgrades at time of sale. Trying to milk additional income by providing only minimal default cloud storage. Why is there no option for a cellular modem in the Macbooks? (iPads have it.). I'm sure there is more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Same reason why we hold the ritz carlton to a higher standard than a hilton

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