Hopeful_Cold3769

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I know that apples ships review units to reviewers and influencers ahead of time. when the reviews are published a lot of them contain close up shots of the iPhones. that made me wonder - are the units reviewers get any different then the ones sold to customers? do they go through stricter QC? are the features exactly the same? are there any conditions apple imposes on the reviewers to make their produces look better in reviews?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

it depends - how do you use your phone?

for example - if you know you will drop your phone, then otter box and the like are they to go.

for me personally - I'm extremely careful, the chances of me dropping my phone are very slim, but on the other hand, I do care about cosmetic damage, so my favorite is the apple silicone case - it offers only basic drop protection but it leaves almost no area of the phone exposed, and has microfiber lining that traps dirt and prevents it from scratching the phone

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Hi!

I'm just like you - one of those people who happens to noice every single little cosmetic defect, and sometimes it can drive me insane.

with that said, I have good and bad news for you:

the good news is that apple has an awesome return policy so if you decide to replace it you can, more than once even.

the bad news is that these are mass produced items, every single one of them will have some kind of defect somewhere, so you won't get you perfect device. those who say otherwise are just blissfully ignorant.

with that in mind- I'd recommend you set yourself the bar for what is considered "unforgivable" - for me it is screen damage and things that are large enough that I see them during my everyday use of the device.

don't forget to update on your decision and outcome, good luck!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I will address your concerns in regard to both mobile and computer repairability:

repairability of mobiles - this is a universal problem - mobile phones have to be so portable that when you don't use them you don't even notice they're here - that means that you have to pack as many components as possible in the least amount of space possible - that means that a lot of times components will be not only glued soldered together, but will actually be part of the same integrate circuit, to save space. this is universal - most phones receive a score of 4, only a few receive a higher than that, and they are mostly niche devices where this is the part of their premise. the reason iPhones do not receive a repairability score of 7 is because of the software lockdown, where apple limits the functionality of non-verified parts. I actually believe apple handles the software lockdown in a way that maintains a good balance between privacy and right to repair, where if a non-verified component is recognized, the user gets a notification and features related to that component that could have an impact on the users privacy are disabled.

repairability of computers - it's true indeed that in the days of the intel "all-flash architecture" MacBooks repairability was abysmal because apple chose form over function - and you can see that best in the trash can Mac Pro where components that should have been upgradable we're soldered to maintain the sleek and compact form factor. since then apple listened to it's customers and today the situation is very different.

a lot of the reparability issues of the Mac lineup stems from the use of apple silicon - the apple silicon has what they call a unified memory architecture which basically demands that the RAM will be a part of the SOC's integrated circuit, that's true for even the Mac Pro which is extremely modular. the storage indeed soldered on the motherboard for laptops and Mac mini in order to save space, but for the Mac Studio and Mac Pro the storage is removable. other than that - overall all the Mac lineup is quite modular and easy to repair hardware wise but the software lockdown issue exists here as well.

overall, even if the move towards repairability was forced on apple by legislator, I still think it's a move I the right direction and will allow for cheaper and quicker repairs as apple moves towards in-store repairs instead of replacements and allows 3rd parties and personal users to order genuine parts and repair manuals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

repairability is a huge point in luxury products. the fact that it very easy to get a luxury watch or a luxury car serviced is a part of it.

watches for example are marked as heirlooms to be passed down across the generations, and as one it is meant to stay in good condition for a long time. Rolls Royce takes pride in the fact that 65% of all cars they ever made are still on the road. for a product to withstand such a lengthy amount of time it must be easily serviceable.

the problem with tech products is that they get outdated after a (relatively) short amount of time, so servicing them for a long time becomes unprofitable.

the situation with other manufacturers is much worse, I had a comparatively amazing experience with apple

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

actually - regarding developer license pricing and the the cut they take from app sales revenue - I find that fair, because unlike Google, Apple:

- has actual humans go over and verify every app submission to the App Store- their job costs money

- has way more polished developer tools, Xcode is unmatched and swift is such a dream to use that schools use swift playgrounds to teach programming to children. and let's not even talk about the fact that they made swift open source.

- has no fragmentation, which allows it's API's to take full advantage of both hardware and software.

also, their app store and billing and subscription management tools are all managed by Apple so app developers have much much less work compared to android developers on that aspect as well. the way I see it small developers actually gain from that - if they had to take care of all the billing and subscription aspects they would have paid much more than the cut apple takes now. larger developers (Epic, Spotify, Netflix) have the means to handle billing and subscriptions in house without the need to outsource it, so they try to bypass Apple's billing service by pretending to be the underdog, and hoping that no one will notice they are also large tech companies with a nice profit margin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

no, the amount of apple product that come out of the factory with big flaws that affect its day to day use is at most on par with the competition if not much less.

what i'm talking about is for example the huge amount of people complaining on reddit their brand new iPhones have dust in their camera lenses or their screens, scratches and scuff in various places out of the box, and the reaction is "for a product that cost x$ this is unacceptable", while for Samsung's flagship at the same price point, there are barely any such complaints, and for the few that do complain, the reaction is "just use it, it's a tool that's meant to be used"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this is a good argument in favor of a completely modular phone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

you're right,

the way I saw it the pixel 8 pro was in line with the iPhone 15 pro and the pixel 8 was in line with the regular iPhone 15, because there seemed to be major difference not just in screen size but in camera, specs, screen type and exclusive features.

but for a lot people the main differentiating factor is indeed the screen size

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

this is a huge part of it. I allow myself to be more critical of apple, and to expect products to not have even the smallest of blemishes because I know they have the means to do better even at their current manufacturing rate and still make a hefty profit

happy cake day!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

correct, but both the iPhone 15 pro and pixel 8 pro cost about the same.

happy cake day!

 

so this is something that I find interesting.

every tech company was plagued with issues at one point or another, apple had their fair share and so did any other company. the thing is - when a flaw is found on apple products people blow it to huge dimensions. apple customers (me included) expect perfection, we expect a flawless product right out of the box, but when we don't get it we judge apple quite harshly.this is some thing iv'e never noticed with any other tech company. why?

I think this comes down to marketing and reputation.

as an example, let's compare Apples reputation with Google and Samsung - the companies making the leading android flagships in the iPhone pro line price range:

Google is known as software company, people see their pixel line as the only way to get the vanilla android experience without bloatware - as such, they don't expect the pixel line to be in the forefront of hardware innovation - and indeed their tensor chips are extremely underwhelming. people buy pixel phones for vanilla android and have no other expectations.

Samsung always had a reputation for half-assing new technologies and rushing them in order to be the first with a product utilizing the new technologies in the market. this is evident back in the days of the galaxy s4 which had face unlock years before apple launched Face ID, and in some parts of the world used their own exynos chip which was the first octa core chip utilizing ARM's big.little in a smartphone - problem was that the face unlock didn't work more than 50% of the time, and the exynos chip had a design issue that allowed either the 4 performance cores to be active or the 4 efficiency cores, which resulted in the galaxy s4 running slower and hotter than the iPhone 4 with a dual core chip. this tradition continues over the years with the galaxy watch, curved displays, and foldable phones. as a result, while on paper the galaxy phones are technological marvels, this doesn't translate well to real world use as they are full of gimmicks and bloatware and become sluggish after very little time.

now we get to Apple. apple always had the reputation of a high quality brand. they would be behind the competition in terms of features, then roll out a feature that would not work seamlessly and perfectly for the end user.

but not only that - unlike other tech bands, Apple also brands their products as a fashion statement and a status symbol. comparing an iPhone to to any other flagship phone is like comparing a Swatch to a Rolex, sure, both are watches and both tell the time, but a Rolex is made from premium materials, with utmost precision and regard to little details.

the way Apple markets their own brand causes their customer base to expect perfection from them.

obviously this affects how mistakes made by apple are blown out of proportion and remembered for years at a time while Samsung's exploding battery fiasco has fizzled out and is largely forgotten by now.

but this also comes into play in what we expect when we buy an apple product:

- when people complain about cosmetic imperfections in their apple products the comments are encouraging them to replace it. since this is unacceptable for an expensive apple device to be imperfect, while for other manufacturers, the comments ae mostly "it's a tool, use it and stop worrying"

- people are willing ro engage in endless replacement loops hoping to find their perfect unicorn device that has not even the smallest scratch, nick, dent, scuff, display unevenness or any other imperfection.

- even I, when I buy an apple product I inspect it the same way I would an expensive watch or piece of jewelry, and I always find some kind of blemish. I only recently learned to lower my standards as I come to realize that the perfect unicorn device does not exist and trying to endlessly replace devices will only waste my time and not bring me closer to getting said perfect unicorn device.

I think this could be solved in 2 ways:

  1. lowering expectations - change the marketing strategy so that the brand is no longer synonymous with premium quality, and lower prices. but this would of course hurt Apple's brand image which differentiate them from other tech companies
  2. raise standards - implement stricter QC protocols, send Apple's own QC engineers to oversee the process in factories, make warranty more flexible, maybe release devices that allow for certain cosmetic issues to be fixed on the spot, similar to how a watchmaker can polish watches. this would obviously cost a lot of money, and i'm not sure it is even possible at the large rates most apple products are manufactured at.

what do you think? is that even a problem? if so, how should it be addressed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't think so. no part of the pro line is manufactured in India, the regular iPhone 15 and 15 plus are the only models that have units made in India, but the pro suffers the same issue as the regular 15.

also - this kind of issues go way back, so in that regard I doubt it had an effect

 

I have been using apple products for a long time now, and it seems that for every apple product I buy I manage to find a flaw. whether its iPhones that have scratches and chips out of the box, iPads with uneven tone of the display (one area water than the other), or a MacBook with the lid shifted compared to the base. my experience is that no apple product will be perfect out of the box, and that trying to get a replacement is not worth the hassle as the replacements as well are not perfect out of the box. and lets not talk about fiascos like the butterfly keyboard which was kept alive for way too long.

now, if it was a mid-range tech company, where the products were cheaper, that would have made sense, but the apple brand is synonymous with quality and luxury, and for the price they charge for their products - wouldn't it have made sense to accept no less than perfection? to expect more rigorous quality control?

maybe people who have insight on how apple and similar companies do quality control can shed some light on that, and on why the end result often doesn't seem to match Apples reputation?

 

I have had my fair share of Apple products, and I always find some kind of cosmetic imperfection. For example:

my 16” 2019 MacBook Pro has a small chip in the corner.
my iPhone 13 Pro Max had a hairline scratch on the mute switch.

my 2021 iPad Pro has scratches on the Apple logo.

my iPhone 15 pro max has a small chip on the ring surrounding the ultrawide camera.

even though they are pretty small, and I haven’t returned any of them for such a small thing, it still bothers me that when I pay so much for products advertised as premium i still can’t expect to receive a cometically perfect product.

do I just have bad luck or is it really too much to expect an Apple product to leave the factory without cosmetic imperfections?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

the discoloration is probably because there is oil from your fingers on the area or it came into contact with water.

try to clean it with a damp microfibres cloth, if that doesn’t work try 70% isopropyl alcohol

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