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Tim Sweeney claims it’s a “Scarlet Letter” which makes players “try to kill the game”

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has criticised rival Valve for forcing studios to disclose when they use AI in game development.

Epic recently showed how it was integrating AI into Unreal Engine 6.

Time Sweeney said:

“If you want to launch a game, and get it as widely publicized as possible, you’ve got to put it on Steam so people can wish list it, and if you want to play it on Steam, then you have to get this Scarlet Letter of AI attached to your product, and now there is a hater community trying to kill the game.

“I think it’s really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn’t do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does.”

Which is totally ignoring the factor that the user should know about the purchase it makes and be able to decide for themselves. Transparency for the player is not a bad thing.

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[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

AI content is so loathed and despised that the influencers, film studios, software developers who have embraced it are simultaneously all desperate to downplay, lie and hide it.

But definitely not a speculation bubble! Keep repeating to yourselves that demand for AI is real and that people really value all the nauseating disgusting chatbot generated "art" and "insight" that you're spewing upon humanity.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

I bet sketchy food producers also balked at the idea of ingredient lists when they were first rolled out. If you're offering something to others and think they might not like something you used in it, maybe it's better to avoid the thing rather than complain that you're being forced to tell people about it.

[-] thymos@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 55 minutes ago

“If you want to launch a game, and get it as widely publicized as possible, you’ve got to put it on Steam so people can wish list it, and if you want to play it on Steam, then you have to get this Scarlet Letter of AI attached to your product

You don't have to, just don't use A.I. Easy.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

As a fan of AI, I want disclosure. Just as tech vegans get to avoid AI, I too would be able to actively seek out games that are doing neat things with it. Disclosure is good for everyone.

[-] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 2 points 59 minutes ago

Some people will be turned off, some people won't care. Don't see the issue of labelling games as containing AI assets as some people want to support games made through 100% human input, give them that ability.

[-] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 1 points 1 hour ago
[-] Scio@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago
[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 34 points 12 hours ago

Usually it's more responsible to disclose things.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 hours ago

Exactly. It's like hiding the amount of ingredients on the packaging for food, just because it looks bad and people would boykott it.

[-] Yttra@lemmy.world 26 points 12 hours ago

Tim Sweeney claims it’s a “Scarlet Letter” which makes players “try to kill the game”

Yes, and?

[-] artyom@piefed.social 34 points 15 hours ago

Timmy is just mad because his new game engine pressures devs to fill their games with AI slop, and Steam will force their developers to disclose it.

[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 54 points 17 hours ago

Sweeney's not a fan of informed purchase practices. Good to know, Tim, I'll make sure to not float any cash your way.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 26 points 17 hours ago

I'm not really surprised. That was clear when they started with the Epic Games Store without user reviews.

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 31 points 16 hours ago

Hmm... Do I side with Epic, famous for:

  1. Apple app store lawsuit because they didn't get enough of the profit
  2. Google play lawsuit, ditto.
  3. Paying publishers to release games exclusively on Epic Games Store, pushing up prices to gamers.
  4. Many allegations by former allegations about toxic work culture, very long working hours, especially "crunch" times leading to burnout and mental health issues.
  5. Aggressive loot boxing and monetization of games specifically targetting children.
  6. Having to settle a lawsuit with the FTC for $275m to escape prosecution for breaching children's privacy laws and forced to issue a further $245m in refunds to customers who were victims of "dark patterns" employed by Epic.

Or with Steam?

[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 8 hours ago

It's bizarre seeing people side with Google and apple over their absurd walled garden percentages.

Not liking Epic doesn't mean Google or apple are in the right.

[-] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 15 hours ago

arent lootboxes a problem with valve too?

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 14 points 15 hours ago

They effectively created the modern videogame lootbox, yes. However they haven't been caught with their pants down specifically targeting children with them, unlike Epic.

Still, fuck valve for lootboxes

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[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

Yes, but they aren't as young of an audience maybe idk. One bad thing in common isn't too bad.

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[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago
[-] jellyfishhunter@lemmy.world 102 points 20 hours ago

So, if a dev uses AI, they fail because of haters, but they also win because they're more productive than devs that don't?

Being strong and weak at the same time is always a fun rhetoric.

Also, afaik, Valve only asks for disclosure of generative AI for asset generation, not productivity tools like coding assistance.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago

not productivity tools like coding assistance

Given how Microsoft has really jammed AI code-assist down the throats of developers whether they want it or not, it would be kinda crazy if they did. The "contains AI" tag would be on virtually everything that touches Visual Studio, hollowing out its value as an indicator.

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[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 13 points 18 hours ago

yeah it sounds like the old immigrant taking your job but also cashing in welfare

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[-] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

Wait, so studios will have to avoid using AI tools, but then other people that do use those tools will be eating their lunch? Either there are a significant number of people that will base purchasing decisions on whether a game used AI in production, or there are not. This is a trivial question to answer by polling customers, or looking at what happens with competing products in your market segment, or any other variety of basic market research. Companies have to work with questions like this constantly.

Epic is exclusively mad because they think there are many people that will avoid (or pay less for, or delay purchase, or expect higher quality, or more worthwhile content, or... Anything like that) games that are produced with AI, and every game made with UE6 will have to bear that scarlet letter, and suffer lower sales. If they really believed you can make much bigger and better games with the new tools, then they would do it, and people will get over their skepticism to play fun games.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 84 points 20 hours ago

Very “if we stopped testing for COVID there would be no cases” energy.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 44 points 18 hours ago

can we have two weeks without a shit take from Tim Sweeney ?

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 22 points 18 hours ago
[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 44 points 19 hours ago

Transparency sucks
-- Every snakeoil salesman ever

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 16 hours ago

It's wild that a CEO can just say this out loud without a mob of haters trying to kill their product.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 15 hours ago

Epic Game Store has really bad market share (estimates I'm seeing are around 15% of PC game sales, a large percentage of which is going to be fortnite) so nobody really cares.

[-] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 41 points 20 hours ago

Weird way to admit they're using AI, but OK.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 13 points 17 hours ago

Their next engine has AI baked into its very core!

[-] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 19 hours ago

"we should be able to lie and sneak ai in. If they found out they wouldnt want it, and the people paying for it shouldnt have any say in the matter"

Utterly deranged take, as expected from him

[-] kehet@sopuli.xyz 17 points 18 hours ago

They see that AI badge lowers their profits so of course they are lobbying against such thing. Big corps are not your friends.

[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago

Its deeply irresponsible to humanity that Epic Games exists and I have to hear a CEO's opinions

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 22 points 19 hours ago

ah ok, what's next? should we stop steam from forcing games to have their publisher's name linked to a game? Having "EA" on your game is a bit like a Scarlet Letter. But that's not fair, having a big publisher can help you get it as widely publicized as possible!

ah ok, what's next? should we stop steam from forcing games to have their bad reviews linked to a game? Having bad reviews on your game is a bit like a Scarlet Letter. But that's not fair, having a bad reviews makes it harder to get it as widely publicized as possible!

ah ok, what's next? should we stop steam from forcing games to have their price linked to a game? Having high margin prices shown publicly on your game is a bit like a Scarlet Letter. But that's not fair, revealing the full price after the user has already made emotional commitments can help you get it as widely publicized as possible!

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 15 points 19 hours ago

honestly, if I show up at tacobell, and like instead of fake high sodium meat, they give me like horse gizzards mixed with grinded scorpian tail based salts and protein derived from dried skunk carcases, why the fuck would I have the right to know that less than 10% of it is actually beef?

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[-] st3ph3n@midwest.social 21 points 19 hours ago

Boo fuckin' hoo, Tim.

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 14 points 18 hours ago

Tim should get in a small airplane

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

oh nooo, I'm so scared of my game losing to the competition using AI tools that everyone fuckin hates. Whatever will I do to have value in the eyes of the customers?

[-] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 9 points 17 hours ago

What a nincompoop, an ignoramus! A real maroon!

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 18 hours ago

Hey Tim grab deez nuts dickhead.

[-] juipeltje@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Bro is just salty cause he has to admit he likes using AI slop if he wants to publish on steam

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