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[–] 105 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Name the offending website please.

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  • [–] 141 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Google. It's their recaptcha service doing that. The QR code validation also gets rejected if you're using a privacy oriented mobile OS like Graphene.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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    It looks like a Cloudflare interstitial. I also don't think sites get to choose which challenge types show up in reCAPTCHA, so this is on Google.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't the site choosing to use recaptcha?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The site is using Cloudflare for DDoS protection, and unfortunately Cloudflare is probably the most effective tool for this. It also looks like it might be archive.org in the screenshot, and they've been dealing with a lot of DDoS attacks lately.

    I don't think Google advertises "we force you to scan a QR code" as a feature of reCAPTCHA either, so it feels a little weird to me to blame the site for using a DDoS protection tool that in turn uses reCAPTCHA for human verification when Google randomly decides to add a new stupid challenge type.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    None of these are about identifying if you're human, they're about identifying which human you are.

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    [–] 87 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not to excuse Google's practices, but you can select the eye icon to continue training an AI to detect buses and bikes.

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  • [–] [S] 34 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, thanks for letting me know. I missed that one, as it isn't all that clear that's what it does.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I tried watching some yt in librewolf made me do 5 captchas an i had to switch vpn location so fuck google

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    I have degoogled but YT is the only thing I’m stuck with. The monopoly is too much to overcome.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (18 children)

    Creating an infrastructure that could potentially ingest terrabytes of data per second, and then processing it into multiple resolutions, is a massive ask.

    Especially for a new site that might not ever get picked up by users, much less creators.

    I think the only people that have a hope in hell of having a success at starting a youtube competitor are the owners of the big porn sites, since they are in a similar, if much smaller than youtube business with regards to infrastructure demands and processing needs. . So they have the institutional knowledge and infrastructural inertia to get started easier than anyone else on the planet. assuming they want to do a SFW video site, which they may not want to do, and it'd probably be burdened forever with right wing outrage due to any tenuous, distant connection to the porn sites (even if its just porn money or porn owners)

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    [–] 36 points 2 months ago*

    Man i will nope out of this website so quick.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    Beware it'd be quite easy to decensor that qr from the image.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'll get hate for referencing a solution that involves AI, but this looks promising: https://github.com/Captcha-Sonic/CaptchaSonic-Extension

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lmao so the captchas don't even do anything anyway. Except harass us.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    that's been true for years now:

    captchas have been a mild inconvenience for bots for like 10 years.

    they are, like so many things, pure security theater...not actual security.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    They were introduced as a way to crowdsource OCR

    Google would give two words, one they knew and one they didn't

    4chan screwed with them back in the day by all giving the same wrong answer on the second word so their OCR would scan wrong

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago

    Recaptcha users will experience some visitor losses.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 8 points 2 months ago*

    I see phishing opportunity here. Thanks Google

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I dont understand how and why is the phone involved in this check. I assume its a link to a website that authenticates you (probably google), but why not open it in the browser its alread at? Like what recaptcha was already doing for the past decade?

    Im so confused

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    A few years ago I was given a technical deep dive into Akamai’s bot detection systems. One area they were quite focused on were bots impersonating mobile devices, and in particular mobile apps. It’s commonplace for attackers to try to mimic the behavior of mobile apps because it often provides more direct access to the data they’re looking for than trying to scrape websites.

    To counter this threat Akamai developed a library for their customers to incorporate into their apps. This library collects a bunch of haptic data from the mobile device, such as the tilt sensors, accelerometers, finger taps/swipes on the screen, and other available data. It then encrypts it and sends it along to Akamai along with the data the app sends. Akamai then analyzes that haptic data and uses it as part of their bot detection analysis.

    It is VERY difficult for a computer to mimic the truly random way a mobile device moves in space, or the way your fingers tap/swipe on a screen. If you were asked to draw a straight line from the upper left corner to the bottom right corner of your smartphone, not only would it not be perfectly straight but it would be quite fluid in its randomness. Writing a computer program to simulate that would be very tough. You’re far more likely to get lots of short straight lines with jagged angles than something that looks like a human drew it. And computer algorithms can quickly analyze this sort of data and return a confidence score indicating if it appears to have been created artificially or not.

    So my guess is that when that QR code is scanned it will launch a Google app that will collect some similar haptic data and send it off to Google along with a unique id for that captcha. Google will then quickly analyze that haptic data to determine if you’re a bot or not.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think they can use remote attestation on the mobile device to prove that it's a physical device. They do that through Google Play Services or whatever the equivalent is on iOS. So, for instance, scanning the QR code on a custom ROM like lineage or GrapheneOS doesn't work.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    First time I saw that, I immediately suspected a malware attack.

    If it's not, it soon will be.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Doesn't clicking on the headphones switch to an audio test like with regular captcha? That's what I do and it works first time instead of getting an endless number of images when I use VPN. The words you enter don't even have to be 100% correct.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Not justifying this by any means but you can just click on the eye icon at the bottom to get the regular captcha.

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