lol Zelensky could literally do a Hitler salute and call himself a fascist and yall would be like “well EVERYONE REMEMBER Russia is the aggressor!!” “We cannot have a conversation about this conflict without first and very very often mentioning Russia is the evil aggressor against wholesome epic little Ukraine and pointing out their Nazi insignia is “targeted” and “associating them with Nazis”

Motherfucker, THEY are associating THEMSELVES with Nazis. This article is about Z naming a unit after fascists. There are pictures of him in front of literal swastikas (adjacent symbols meaning the same thing). How in the slightest is that framing Ukraine in any way they aren’t framing themselves?

Also I responded before I read your whole comment. The last paragraph is just slop dude. I think this person should be banned from the instance or however it works, unless you’re willing to prove that you’re willing to learn and not just bark like a dog

The claim is that Ukraine knowingly and openly integrated Nazi militias into its formal military structure and openly celebrate historical figures who knowingly and openly collaborated with Nazis.

This is sort of public record and you can just go look it up. It's real.

Why talk about it? To get people to realize what's actually happening, which is that Ukraine is being used as a Western proxy as part of their never ending project to subjugate Russia and turn it into a resource colony. You see, prior to 2014, Ukraine was called a corrupt state with a president who was a Russian puppet. They wouldn't work with the West to allow the West to continue its military expansion. But after that president was ousted, now it is said that Ukraine is "free and democratic" and of course with Russia being evil that's why Russia hates the new Ukraine.

But the reality is that the West couldn't ever convince Ukraine to politically become a proxy for the West until the Ukrainian far-right and their collaborative liberals became the dominant power, driven mostly by desire to participate in the super profits of empire. But how can we counter the propaganda from the West? Well, we have to show evidence that Ukraine is actually dominated and shot through by far-right interests. And guess what we find? Literal Nazis.

And of course, for so many Westerners, that doesn't make sense. Why would the USA, who fought the Nazis, support the rise of Nazi support in their own proxy?

And of course, there's 2 complimentary answers to that. The first is that the Third Reich was openly and programmatically organized around destroying the USSR and subjugating Russia. The Nazis and collaborators all across Europe, including in Ukraine, have a militant anti-Russian culture. So, if you're the West and you want any Eastern European country to agree to participate in extending the Western military threat against Russia even if it means triggering a war, well, your best bet is to get the Nazis and their collaborators in that country into power. So from a simple pragmatism, the West can more easily manipulate Nazis into harms way.

But the second reason is that the West isn't really anti-Nazi. The ruling classes of the West were all in on the Third Reich, Hitler, and Mussolini. They were getting super rich working with them to build out their war machines and supporting systems. IBM, Ford, Chase... The richest of the rich were all over Germany to build the systems that would ultimately become the most deadly war machine on the continent in history. The US had a massive Nazi culture with rallies and political organizations and summer camps. That stuff didn't go away. It mostly just went underground. It was the USSR that defeated the Nazis, destroying 80% of the Third Reich and marching all the way through Berlin. The "Allies" basically just prevented the USSR from liberating Western Europe. While the Red Army was destroying the Nazis, the US was working with the Vatican to establish ratlines to spirit away 10k Nazis to safety to avoid war crimes hearings, integrate them into the West, give them jobs, property, protection, and sometimes fake identities (Operation Paperclip). They then build NATO and staffed it with Nazi officers. And then they use NATO to organize Nazis, neo-nazis, and collaborators into covert terrorist cells called "leave-behind armies" that they armed, organized, coordinated, trained, and funded with the intention of using them to fight the USSR if they could ever get the opportunity. (Operation Gladio)

So, reminding people that Ukraine is openly integrating Nazis into their military, government, culture, history, and narratives is not just an attempt to shake the support people like you have for Ukraine in this conflict, but to show the unbroken line of history that connects the Nazis of the Third Reich and the European program to destroy Russia with the current conflict involving all of the same actors, movements, programming, narratives, etc.

I'm inclined to believe that Russia is the aggressor in this conflict, it's larger, had a better military reputation, and has been treated as such by everyone but the US president. So I'm already predisposed to side with Ukraine because they didn't start the fight.

"History started yesterday" vibes. Nato had been amassing forces on their borders prior to the Russian invasion, and had already pushed east into former Warsaw pact territories after the dissolution of the Soviet union despite promises not to do so.

Associationing Ukraine with Nazis feels like a way to weaken the support, but anyone in Europe is going to be close enough to walk over and ask if they're actually Nazis so I can't imagine it's going to work on any of them.

I too regularly stroll into active warzones to ask questions easily answered by wikipedia in the time it takes to take a shit.

Meanwhile in the US, let me remind you that the owner of everyone's favorite social media platform did the Nazi salute for our president who is currently putting people in concentration camps with his own gestapo.

Yeah, they're bad too, what's your point?

If anything, Ukraine being secretly Nazis is just going to strengthen the support.

Not very secret but sure why not.

Can you just give me your manifesto or a copy of your orders if this is some sort of psyops?

"I'm the main character"

I'm honestly too busy not dying of poverty and American healthcare [...]

How unique of you.

Like, if you want American support you could just offer to arrest the Epstein clients or give us real healthcare.

Support to...not give shit away for free that cost money to make to another country involved in a conflict that has nothing to do with us? 🤔

I’m honestly too busy not dying of poverty and American healthcare to decipher a poorly made meme.

i'm convinced that this is the reason why westerners -- americans in particular -- support ukraine in this conflict. (or atleast i want to believe this)

it's clear you're missing 2 key pieces of information that you can't be blamed for not knowing because our media won't talk about it.

1. the nazi thing was so pervasive in ukraine that congress decided to ban weapons sales to ukraine because of it and then it was later lifted it when russia became involved.

2. russia became involved because A) nato expansion has always threatened russian existence and B) said nazis took over the ukrainain gov't with the american gov'ts help and started shelling the people in eastern ukraine (just like isreal is doing to gaza rght now) when they voted to join russia because of said nazisim

here's a whole bunch of sources if you want to know more details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12Hi1pOYSjJ1umb72CTNzvJ7e4wfhEfk1Hn3AxjGE4go/edit?tab=t.0