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seen a bunch of people just hating on the Catholic church and even catholics for no logical reason at all

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[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

The logical reasons to hate Christians could fill a book. However, I think we're just pretty secular around here.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Catholics tend to vote for republicans and other right-wing parties. This tells you everything you need to know about them. They have no morals and clearly struggle to understand the teachings of Jesus.

[-] throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world 42 points 10 hours ago

Mostly the child rape, but also the cover-up of the child rape. Oh, and the secret relocation of the child rapists to new places so they could continue raping children.

Also the genocide, a history of repressing the poor, the misogyny, Indulgences, the whole Crusades thing, the Spanish inquisition, the coalition with Hitler, the extremely problematic wealth of the Vatican, the homophobia, and the child rape.

Did I mention the child rape?

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 8 points 10 hours ago

Wow edgy if you're going to hold child rape against organizations or ideologies you basically have to be an anarchist

[-] throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You think that's edgy? I downloaded a car once.

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[-] toomanypancakes@crazypeople.online 15 points 9 hours ago

After seeing your interactions on this thread, I can add one more logical reason I don't like Catholics to the pile.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

On my end it's mostly cultural. Quebec went through the Quiet revolution in the 60s in response to the social and educational stagnation the Church and the government imposed on the working class.

Then add on top the residential school systems that caused great harm to the indigenous nations in Canada which was handled by the Church.

Yeah. not fond at all of the Catholic Church after all that. The less power it has in politics and public services, the better IMO. It doesn't mean I hate catholics, just the organization behind it.

[-] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 49 points 13 hours ago

Religion is a political tool made to opress the masses. Catholicism is particularly harmful for sanctifying asceticism.

They sell this backward idea where suffering and misery is glorified while engaging in pleasure, principally sexual please, is seen as sinful and impure.

It keeps people from raising against their masters and constantly feeling guilty about themselves for craving sexual satisfaction.

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 54 points 13 hours ago

No reason? Do you not hear about the excessive amount of sexual abuse that the church encourages through there non action or outright moving sexual predators to another area to avoid community problems.

Or their stance on safe sex, which shockingly, is not safe at all.

All to appease their magical invisible friend in the sky.

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[-] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 15 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Ignoring the myriad of other reasons, merely the fact that the catholic church opposes women's control over their own reproduction (which is the only measure that works to alleviate poverty) should be enough for anyone.

ETA: also, isn't it weird to be lectured to about sex by a virgin who you call father?

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[-] SuperPengato@scribe.disroot.org 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Okay, so we'll break it down in increasingly narrow boxes :

1- Hatred of religion in general

Religion has been and continues to be a tool for legitimizing power structures. As such, they're associated with the oppressive systems they've historically upheld. That goes from state structures like monarchy to modes of production like slavery, reaching whithin family dynamics, like patriarchy. Atheism was until recently broadly criminalized throughout the world. Atheism, or at least secularism, is a feature of many ideologies that arose since the late 18th century to uproot these systems, while religions are claimed by ideologies that arose in reaction tooto these. Politically, religion is therefore seen as conservative .

2- Hatred of Abrahamic religions

Some see these religions (Christianity, Islam, Druzism, Judaism) as inherently more oppressive than other, because they see it as a sin to worship gods other than their, and do not permit synchretism like other religions do. This is a big debate, and it doesn't hold true to the same extent for all Abrahamic religions, but I'm not getting into details on this.

3- Hatred of Christianity

There are religious people who hate christianity for theological reasons, but I'm once again more interested in the political aspect. Many hate christianity for its role in colonization and association with western imperialism. It's basically the first two points applied to specific circumstances of christianity : How it came to eradicate paganism in Europe and attempted (sometimes continues to attempt) to do the same globally, how, using colonial means it erases cultures. Same can be said of Islam to an extent, and you could say the main difference is that Christianity has been successful more recently and more globally. But then again, while they've had the same attitude towards paganism, Islam has historically tolerated more religious in their states, as long as these were "religions of the book". Tho it's true that the situation has come to be a bit reversed on that point...

4 a- Hatred of Catholicism for theological reasons :

Idk about the details, but part of a reason why the reform happens was that catholicism was seen as drifting to far from true belief and focusing on preserving and enriching itself as an institution. Other accusations include being too close to paganism due to the cult of saints and the continuity with Roman institutions (diocieses that predate the christianisation of the empire, nuns too similar to Vestal virgins...), and the fact that at the time, the mass was always in Latin although most people didn't understand it.

4 b- Hatred of Catholicism : Post-colonial reasons

Point 3 applied to former colonies of France, Spain and Portugal, for which evangelisation was purely Catholic. the Catholic church continues to wield large power there, and some people consider its influence a remnant of colonialism. However, it is interesting to note that catholicism can be seen the opposite way by people from catholic countries for which a protestantprotestant country is seen as a greater or more recent oppressor (like Ireland or Puerto-Rico).

4 c- Hatred of Catholicism : Structural reasons

Catholiscism has a strict clergy hierarchy, moreso than Protestantism or Islam. Some see this as wrong in itself for philosophical or theological reasons, but even if that is not the case, this means the Catholic Church, more than others, can be perceived as an institution with agency and responsabilities. More than others, they're expected to answer to their past positions and to solve their ongoing issues, something it struggles with as it doesn't want to alienate the more concervative parts of its clergy. Also, this leads me to the next point :

4- d : The pedophilia thing. This is already very debated in the other comments, so I'm not gonna get in the details, but clearly not a good look.

4- e: Catholics in majority protestant country

Ecumenical debates pass over the heads of most christians, who just go with the form of christianity that is the "default" in their country/region. But what about those raised in families that hold on to their religions where it is a minority? This point seems important to me because a lot of the debates about Catholiscism I see online are really about catholicism in the USA, where it is a minority. In such countries, catholics will usually be seen as more pious and conservative than other christians, and quite often they'll be, for several reasons :

  • Principle of selection: A family that is just vaguely christian, upon immigrating, could've converted to better integrate. If they didn't, it's either because their specific belief was important to them personally, or because the community in which they integrated was mostly of other catholics, making it a solidarity factor which in turn increases its importance.

  • Sense of responsability : If holding a belief is an active choice rather than going with the flow, believers will tend to give it more mind. They may feel they have more of a personal responsability to uphold it. This can culminate in what's known as "siege mentality": People who feel like an important part of their way of life or their belief system is threatened will react with fervor, oftem violence. This is why so many religious or political speech relies on tropes such as "They're trying to steal/destroy/corrupt our thing!"

[-] tunetardis@piefed.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

I have mixed feelings on the Catholic church and religion in general.

My father was an academic with a disdain for Catholicism, but my wife is a devout (though non-evangelical) Catholic. I decided to attend Mass just for the hell of it (ok maybe not the best choice of words?) and noticed the church in question had a desperate need for musicians. I play violin, so I wound up joining their music ministry.

I'm still not Catholic (let alone religious) to this day. When cornered, I say I'm a practicing non-Catholic (as opposed to the far more common non-practicing Catholic), as I attend weekly music practices. I understand all of my father's well-reasoned arguments against, most of which are still all-too-relevant. Otoh I have to acknowledge that my church experience has been a net positive. I made contacts within the Irish Catholic community and started playing in Celtic bands and such. As an introvert, I don't think any of this would've happened by default, and it's been quite a ride.

[-] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

That's the double edge sword of religious communities. They are actual communities with real people doing real people things. It just sucks about the whole religious aspect of it. Growing up in a religious community, I miss it a bit. Built-in friendships with regular meet-ups.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 13 hours ago

You might be surprised to find out that atheism is probably over-represented here on Lemmy and is probably the dominant "belief" as opposed to traditional religion.

One aspect of this is that you'll see that religion in general is not exactly well respected among the userbase. You might just want to alter your expectations, because it's not anti-catholicism as much as it is anti-religion in general.

Source: Am atheist. All religions are fucking stupid and holding humanity back. Sorry not sorry.

[-] alecsargent@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 hours ago

Amen brother, oops I mean … whatever.

[-] PagPag@lemmy.world 32 points 13 hours ago

No logical reason at all?

Without going through a host of historical atrocities, modern day misdeeds and crimes, you could simply look at the global systematic and institutionalized protection of raping of little boys…for centuries. This alone would warrant the hate.

Bet you also wonder why the world hates Israel with a fiery passion too.

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 22 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Because Lemmy is, for the most part, atheist. The reason why Catholicism seems to get more hate than any other religion is because it's more often mentioned in media posted. And as for your "no reason" claim, you might want to read up on news regarding systemic issues with the catholic church and its hush-culture.

And you might want to read up on what the strawman-falacy is before trying to call everyone out on it. It's not a strawman argument when people refer to specific issues or examples that answers your original question. Being able to name argumentation techniques and fallacies does not make you right.

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