WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. consumer confidence declined slightly this month as gas prices stayed high and inflation remained elevated, a sharp contrast to soaring stock prices hover near record levels.

The Conference Board’s consumer confidence index slipped 0.7 points to 93.1 in May, the first decline after three months of gains. The measure hasn’t fallen as much this year as other gauges of consumer attitudes, but it has been stuck at a low level since the pandemic. Before COVID-19, it regularly reached 130.

A separate gauge of consumer sentiment released last week by the University of Michigan fell to a record low this month. Soaring gas and food costs have worsened inflation that is outpacing the average growth in paychecks, reducing most Americans’ purchasing power. Americans have soured on President Trump’s economic policies, polls show, potentially creating problems for Republicans heading into the midterm elections.

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[–] 69 points 4 months ago (15 children)

How is the stock market increasing if people aren't buying the things that those companies produce? I know the answer is because the stock market is based entirely on feelings and doesn't have any basis in reality. But I still want to ask the question.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    I know the answer is because the stock market is based entirely on feelings and doesn't have any basis in reality.

    I mean, that's phrased really about as well as anyone could phrase it. You could also say that there are two Americas: the 1% and everyone else. The stock market is a measure of how the 1% are doing. When Bondi said "the Dow is over 50000!" in that senate hearing, she was basically just saying, "the rich people think this administration is great, so you should too."

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    2 factors:

    Every salary person has 15% of their income go to the stock market for their 401k.

    Most things are staples that people have to buy. Companies increase their prices and consumers don't have a choice. The increased price means increased earnings.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago*

    Currently the rest of the stock market is essentially held up by 7 companies.

    • Tier 1 — Magnificent Seven / Mega-Cap: Up 75–100%+ over five years. Cash-rich near-monopolies trading on AI futures. Effectively function as quasi-sovereign entities. Collectively hold over $420 billion in cash.
    • Tier 2 — Rest of S&P 500: Up 50–60%. Piggybacking on the giants through index weighting. Solid balance sheets but increasingly dependent on AI-adjacent demand.
    • Tier 3 — Russell 2000: Up roughly 17%. The “one percent of the losers.” Struggling but kept alive by access to public capital markets. 40–44% unprofitable. Facing a $709 billion refinancing wall in 2026–2027.
    • Tier 4 — Private Middle Market: Flat to declining. Consolidating from roughly 200,000 to 125,000 firms over two decades (RSM). Margin-squeezed by tariffs and input costs. RSM MMBI showing fragility.
    • Tier 5 — Main Street / Small Private Business: Fighting to exist. No access to Wall Street capital. Absorbing inflation that large firms pass through to customers. NFIB Optimism Index showing persistent fragility.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    The stock market isn't really dependant on companies actually producing stuff. The expectation of them producing stuff is enough. Which is why this whole AI-circlejerk exists for example.

    It is all insider trading and companines funding each other with the same non-existant money.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    All the money that's accumulating in the hands of the ultra rich has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is investment assets and investment assets are chosen based on going up in price and said going up in price needs not be for any reason other than that money is going into those assets in the expectation that the prices will go up (i.e. it's just a feedback loop of price increases attracting more buyers which in turn makes prices go up).

    It's one big Ponzi Scheme and it will keep on going until there is no more money entering the scheme.

    As it so happens we're living a long period of the wealth that was accumulated across society for decades being sucked out from the hands of the many into the hands of the few, and said few then keep putting more money into investment assets (what would be the point of buying yet another yacht) which is what keeps the whole price goes up because people buy -> people buy because price goes up loop going in so many asset categories, from housing and stocks to ultra speculative stuff like crypto.

    This shit will only stop when it crashes and the longer it keeps going the harder it will crash.

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    [–] 42 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    We don't buy groceries to feed our families with the fucking stock market. All it is is a way to tell how the epstein class is raking in the dough like the parasites they are.

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    [–] [S] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (36 children)

    This, more than anything, is why I hate both parties. Harris tried to gaslight us into thinking the economy was okay. Now, Donald's doing it.

    But these limpdick, rich motherfuckers don't understand that the poor do their own grocery shopping, their own child care, actually open their own medical bills, and actually notice how much worse their schools have gotten and how many fewer opportunities there are to build a better life. The economy doing great for the rich has zero meaningful connection to the circumstances of the poor and middle class now.

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Electing Harris would have meant Lina Khan would have stayed at the FTC and we wouldn’t have the jackass Trump just appointed to the Fed. Both parties are not the same.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    The difference is the Dems actually have a track record of making the economy at least less worse than Republicans BY FAR.

    Not to mention the Build Back Better bill was originally going to be the single most progressive infrastructure upgrade bill in US history, but it was gutted because of the GOP.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Whether or not the economy can be called "OK" is extremely dependent on who says it and when. At the time of the election campaign, it was fair to say that the economy was OK. It wasn't great, but inflation was getting under control, employment numbers were rising, it was generally trending in the right direction and could be called "OK".

    Then trump comes in and from his (more specifically his ownership group's) perspective, this is currently beyond OK. Profits for the ultra-rich are skyrocketing. They clamp down on immigration to get rid of the sources of cheapest labour, then make sure the cost of living keeps rising to push people into taking whatever job they can get, for wages they previously would never have accepted. All while cashing in on planned market swings.

    But yeah, tell me again how both parties are the same.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    https://www.equifax.com/newsroom/all-news/-/story/faq-what-is-a-k-shaped-economy-/

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/worries-grow-over-a-k-shaped-economic-recovery-that-favors-the-wealthy.html

    https://www.investopedia.com/long-term-impacts-of-the-covid-19-k-shaped-recovery-5200711

    The economy went K-shaped before Biden even got into office. The economy was far from "OK." It's just gotten a lot worse since then is all.

    Even during Obama's term the growth in jobs was mostly part-time McDonald's type gigs, not real quality jobs. Then Trump fucked everything over during COVID and made things even worse with the PPP loans, which further kicked things into a K-shape.

    People forget that the TSA was always a stealth jobs program for Bush's shitty economy. It's still in operation as security theater and an outright dismissal of the 4th amendment as mattering.

    There hasn't been a time in my adult fucking life where working full time even in the state with the highest minimum wage can an adult afford to rent an apartment on their own. It's been fucking bad for a long time. Minimum wage should be at least $25/hour if not more.

    But sure, $7.25/hr and gig work is great. /s

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    [–] 39 points 4 months ago

    The stock market is genuinely meaningless and has been detached from the real economy for well over a decade. It's indicative of nothing other than greed and the fact that the federal government keeps printing money and handing it directly to the wealthy.

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  • [+] 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Last time I was at the grocery store, I casually unscrewed their credit card reader display from the register while nobody was paying attention.

    It's the little things that really warm my heart.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Makes you wonder where all that stock market money is ultimately coming from...

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    Likely devaluing of the dollar.

    Edit: stocks aren't like a bank. The "valuation" is just the median sale price over some number of trades/time.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah that edit is what a lot of people don't always realize

    If a company jumps up a ton in market cap, that doesn't mean the equivalent amount has been paid for its' stock. Long term holders came in at much lower prices after all. It's the current price (which depends on what people are willing to buy/sell for right now, aka the order book) multiplied by all the shares that exist, including ones that may not have been sold in a decade in the case of some company like nvidia.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Don't worry, trickle down economics will start working and sort this out any day now.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    It’s great, if you are in that big club that you ain’t in.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    I'm scratching my head wondering how we haven't had an official recession™ yet, but maybe it's because the rich haven't quite put everything in place to leave everyone else holding the stinky bag. Maybe that'll come with the AI company IPOs and private equity inclusions into pension and retirement investment accounts.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Further illustrating that the stock market is just gambling for the wealthy and not a barometer of livability.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    the "spending" isn't changing, it's the getting less and less for it.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wonder if i should cash out all my stocks... I know its gonna crash haaard soon

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I mean stock market going up makes the rich richer, poor people don't have significant stocks

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Almost like the stock market and "economy" are just terms for how wealthy people's money is doing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbckEkyf-g

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Money and the stock market is extremely fake at this point

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    A few days ago I saw $6.08/gal at my neighborhood gas station. But of course, high gas prices won't make the Epstein files go away.

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