Its not enough. Eradicate the bills.
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It's not really a win though. It just means Linux will get blocked by platforms.
oh wow gee thank you for not… [checks notes]… forcing open source developers to write state mandated spyware without compensation
Waiting for....
403 Unauthorized
We're sorry, your browser has not provided us with age verification, and so we are unable to show you our cat videos.
Reason:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 10; K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/148.0.0.0 Mobile Safari/537.36
Why are you waiting for this? This is already the reality; example: fansly uses the ID verification service ondato, which only works on chrome browsers and tries to detect "tampered camera feeds", ofc it doesn't work on Linux.
So what's the point in the bill then? They're prepared to accept that open source solutions don't have to implement it then they have to accept that the whole idea is daft anyway.
Not exactly. They can always take this one step further and make it more difficult to use anything but closed OSs for fundamental applications, like banking. It could come via an ID requirement where authentication goes through some complicated process with proprietary hardware and drivers. That could also come in phases, such as mandating all desktop/laptop distributors require it prior to distribution. Then the tech giants can market it like, “never require a password again, if you have…” effectively marketing back the convenience they helped take. Sooner or later, it’s a piece of shit system that banks and jobs rely on, everybody ends up accepting it while complaining that it makes a terrible password for obvious reasons (ref: your Social Security card).
In a perfect world this means that closed ecosystem operating systems. Like windows, Mac and android. Who have an unfair amount of control and power over their customer base. Will be held to a higher standard by the law.
Since the potential for abuse is higher with windows or android then say arch or fedora.
That increased control should come at a downside of increased responsibility. There's nothing stopping Microsoft or Google from releasing control and becoming more transparent in theory.
So if everything was in magical fairy land. This sort of enforced liability would push software towards more open standards with less burden of responsibility on the creators and more responsibility on the user.
Since really that's where the responsibility should mostly be. It should be the user or parents of the user who decide how a system is used. And it should be the users responsibility to ensure they are adhering to laws and regulations.
We actually "won"? They're not gonna do something suspicious at all? (͡•_ ͡• )
Although this treatment is still not enough, we need the bill to evaporate from the surface of earth
I would not accuse the legislators of any decency of thought only that open source would be far harder to police due to its more nebulous and intermingled path to the client with far less money at the end of it.
There may have also been some big money lobbyists from companies like Google, Amazon, etc, that pointed out how much money it would have cost their poor shareholders to implement.
The entire dynamic is off somehow, so age verification is for the safety of children but won't be implemented on some platforms for reasons that are by extension more pressing than child safety, as if such reasons might exist. It is almost like age verification is actually nothing to do with child safety.
I haven't heard anyone saying they want to take this to a referendum in Colorado. If we collect enough signatures, the bill has to go on the November ballot and we can collectively vote it down as a state. Even if we lose, it might buy us time.
Why is no one talking about this? Why is there no info about anyone doing anything right now? All I see are daily threads about how we should do something.
I imagine that, while good on the surface, the apps that will then require the age information called from the OS will just reject any platform that doesn't provide it, essentially segregating the internet.
Which, adding more and more friction makes it more likely that users will just give up and submit to giving up their privacy.
But that isn’t mandated in the laws
Regardless they can destroy the clearnet and we’ll make our own internet with blackjack and hookers
Yet.
But it doesn't need to be once the data exists, corporations can build their websites however they like once the data is mandated to exist. Think about how your browser, if not chrome, will often break/slow down on YouTube because google wants you to use chrome/have ads play on YouTube. Or how captcha will just sometimes break and force you to use a chrome browser (which exposes a bunch of data)...cause google again. None of that is mandated by law.
Don't forget the legislation is funded by Meta. They want that delicious, scrumptious data that will help them legally avoid COPPA and target/collect data on child accounts and get them addicted while young.
And I know we will. We're cool like that.
It's back to the same question from the early days of the Internet. "How do you know the person you are talking to isn't a cat?". How can you know they aren't a cat or maybe a clever monkey taking a break from typing Shakespeare, or how old they are, or who they even are?
You can't.
You can implement every security measure available and anyone can simply lie or bypass it.
If by some miracle they actually implemented some age verification tech for OS and websites and the Internet as a whole, it will just pop up an underground market of "fake IDs" or hacks to get past it.
Absolutely we would, we're paying attention. Most people aren't.
What I worry about is the longterm effects. Look at children who have grown up with iphones. Most of them don't know that other apps exist outside of their locked down appstore.
What scares me is the normalization through the generations of the surveillance state. Remember what we used to call spyware? I'd hazard a guess that basically every corporate application could be classified as spyware given the amount of data they collect on a user. But we've largely stopped using the term.
Chrome is spyware, but if you called it that you'd be met with "bro, what? It's a browser" or even worse "so? I need it to access the internet"
Same with Flock and Ring and all the smartphone apps with location access we carry around all day.
We've slowly given away every last shred of privacy and have no increased security or happiness from it. In fact I believe our safety and security is FAR worse under mass surveillance than if we simply "did nothing". Surveillance and police and punishment do not really stop crime or help protect anyone, it just opens up dozens of other avenues for harm.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but I feel icky being out in public now. I'm so painfully aware that I'm being filmed from 15 different angles as I walk or drive or do anything, I feel like I'm being stalked and it's creepy.
I expect I'll need a phone that I turn on from time to time that's got all my details logged so I can access things like banking and tax.
My inbox is flooded with doomsayers and fear mongering about how they're going to kill Linux because of this and no matter how hard I tried to convince them that it would be physically impossible to enforce such a law/rule on open source software they just wouldn't listen.
Looks like the blokes in calif had to eat a lot of truth to come to this decision.
O, before you comment I am fully expecting more doomsayers. So please enlighten me.
A future Linux install prompt: "Which state do you live?"
Everyone: Why, "California", of course. Glad you asked.
There's no way to enforce age verification, like on websites or closed software, in even normal circumstances, but if it's open source or offline how could you even begin to attempt it? It's so silly.
IBM has a Linux distro, Linux is not going anywhere

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