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They say debian is free and has its promise, but Arch has like 2-4 maintainers?

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[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 70 points 3 weeks ago

If you know vaguely what you're doing or are willing to learn, you can go with whatever and it'll be fine.

Personally not a big fan of debian because they tend to be slower and more conservative on updates. Arch is a bit more technical, but very customizable.

I'm personally a big fan of Fedora. Software updated quickly enough to have all the bells and whistles, slow enough to not get cut by bleeding edge software.

[-] msage@programming.dev 11 points 3 weeks ago

Gentoo is where you learn the most about Linux and software in general.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 weeks ago

Long time gentoo advocate(/fanboy) here, and so, it stings a little to say this, but, there are ways to use gentoo that do not have you learn as much about your system as, say, e.g. CRUX, KISS/Carbs, LFS(?), starting with just a busybox and kernel, Exherbo, or even many ways of using slackware [and several other suggestions yet, but gotta cut the list short somewhere].

Gentoo's very conveniently wrapped up with portage. So conveniently, you can be forgiven for lingering in the convenience and not venturing deeper into what the convenience wraps around. It's not a thick opaque plastic wrap like some distros that try hard to lower the entry bar, but it is still convenient. ... Conveniently availing advanced fidelity of choice over what you're installing, conveniently managing complexity in simplicity, but ultimately a convenience trap still none the less. ... Many Gentoo users look like uneducated yokels in flying saucers, compared to those who actually do compile their software themselves (they run make), rather than those who have emerge do it for them. [Or an even more extreme example, we're like anyone using an LLM voice assistant.] As in: We're not superior skilled savvy sysadmin, we just have better tools.

And why do the effort of learning to become better, when the machine does it for you.

But then, with gentoo, you do still have the choice. Gentoo is all about choice.

One can try say same for any distro, and that's true, for all being (mostly) Free Software ("Opensource") and so can study (freedom1) it to whatever depth your curiosity takes you, but, Arch does try take some of your choice away from you, not the freedom to study it, but in that it insists it have the freedom to bite you. [ Though, there be ways to mitigate that ]. Debian (or Devuan), Gentoo, Suse, and others, let you opt-in to the fast lane. Arch seem to be screaming "COME WITH US, FAST AS WE CAN!!!" and leaving little room to hear anything about taking arch to a slow lane.

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[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Debian is rock solid, there are even more user-friendly distros though. In a few edge-cases it will expect you to know your way around things, however there are a lot of guides for it. Going with this will cause the growth of a mighty white beard!

Arch Linux will make you cry. If you want to learn how to fix and configure things it's great (and their wiki arguably is the greatest of all), but their lack of QA and expectation to do that yourself often causes issues. You'll probably cut your fingers on its bleeding edge. If you want to learn with less bleeding I'd recommend CachyOS these days. I'm certainly not saying this because my computer didn't boot after updates multiple times. /s

HOWEVER if you have an Nvidia GPU, first off: I'm so sorry. Secondly, you absolutely (!) should use a distro that takes care of their driver for you. Their drivers are hot steaming garbage that you do not want to meddle with (many distros try their best to do it for you, but often enough it won't work for some people). See below, Nvidia distros marked with recycling symbol.

A few other options to consider with noticeable features:

  • Bazzite (♻️): If you mainly play games. User-friendly, most compatible with handhelds next to CachyOS. Takes care of a lot of small things related to gaming.
  • Fedora: If you want modern features on a very stable system. Very good ecosystem. Basically the other stable workhorse next to Debian. Will spawn a nice hat on your head, m'lady.
  • OpenSuse: Also very stable, best distro for those concerned about US influence (it's strongly EU-based). Tumbleweed arguably most stable rolling-release distro (newest system software) with a great graphical settings' tool YaST (future unknown, unfortunately). Leap is rock-solid but slow, meant more for Office PCs and Enterprise users. After installing this you'll suddenly start talking german.
  • Linux Mint: If you want things to just work with the flattest learning curve possible for former Windows victims. Helpful tips for Ubuntu usually apply and that weird software offering you a manual download for Ubuntu will just work.
  • ElementaryOS: Very good for users used to MacOS, probably flattest learning curve for them. Great accessibility! Not as feature rich as others (their whole desktop is made in-house, so it's very cohesive but a lot of work for them), but what they have is very well tested.
  • ZorinOS (Core): Also very good. Most likely the one with the biggest software selection from the start (comes with both Snap and Flatpak pre-configured). Probably the one you'd eventually find on some school computer.

And three others interesting if you might buy new hardware soon (damn, you rich):

  • TuxedoOS (♻️): Default OS on devices from Tuxedo Computers (EU). Works on any machine and is a really nice distro in general.
  • SlimbookOS (♻️): Default OS for Slimbook (EU) devices. Also nice.
  • Pop_OS! (♻️): Default OS for System76 (US) devices. They're currently developing a whole new desktop environment (Cosmic), so their normal release hangs a little bit behind. It's okay though. Be aware it's from a US company (not just maintainers, but commercial entity). Fucked up Linus Tech Tips once.
[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago

[Arch's] wiki arguably is the greatest of all

100% agree. Even as a Fedora user, in the rare occasion I have some obscure issue the Arch wiki is a godsend. Even though I've never actually used Arch, I'm still extremely grateful for the work they do on documenting every little thing for desktop Linux. A lot of that info is applicable for all Linux desktop distros.

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[-] erev@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I will push back on this a bit because Debian is great, but point release distros like Debian that focus on stability can be incredibly behind on important updates that include features users will want. I personally recommend Fedora to start because imo it's the best of both worlds for new penguins and greybeards alike.

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is such a fantastic answer. I wish stuff like this was the top search result for these questions.

I will note that perhaps Linux Mint should get a ♻️, since it comes with a very simple "Driver Manager" utility that detects your GPU and allows you to select the appropriate proprietary driver for it. The onboarding welcome program directs you to open it.

Edit: demo video: https://youtu.be/12FKdE0ZRc4

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

I only marked those who bundle the driver with the image since that way they can treat is as core system package and add the necessary deep system configurations + helper scripts straight form the start. There are in fact quite a few distros who use such a helper tool (I think Zorin has one too?), but even with their best effort the driver still causes issues so god damn often or just fails to install for weird reasons. Additionally there might be issues after updates. Distros that integrate them from the start might add a few extra scripts to mitigate update problems, perhaps ensure Secure Boot still works, make specific changes to Wayland due to Nvidia being really bad with it by default, set up everything for hybrid graphics, ecetera.

My brother just threw out an RTX 3060 because of all the issues (in that case on OpenSuse) and I had so. many. issues. In the last 10 years with all kinds of green GPUs that I can only in good conscious recommend distros with pre-installed drivers to Nvidia users, and to avoid that company like the Plague.

[-] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 4 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't game, but use Bazzite. It has worked on every system I've installed it on, even an old AMD A6. I just feel safe in there, but it's not perfect. And the distro is large.

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[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 3 weeks ago

Why have you forsaken God? You should be praying in TempleOS.

[-] pmk@piefed.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

Isn't it true that a server running TempleOS has the best protection against remote exploits?

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, the networking stack is perfectly protected for it only connects directly to the heavens via faith based prayer-wave.

[-] guymontag@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Most based opinion i've seem here

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[-] zeroConnection@programming.dev 31 points 3 weeks ago

If you have to ask, you definitely don't want Arch

[-] Sexy-Animal-Fucker@thebrainbin.org 28 points 3 weeks ago

The fact that you're asking this suggests you might be new to linux so go Mint but if it has to be one of those two then Debian

[-] Australis13@fedia.io 12 points 3 weeks ago

Linux Mint Debian Edition. Best of both worlds.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 weeks ago

The lack of PPA support might bite you though. For newcomers I'd strongly recommend staying with the standard Mint (Cinnamon) version, any reason not to is highly technical and more of an issue for the maintainers.

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[-] JGrffn@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

I'm honestly not sure if I'm witnessing the most autistic responses to the most obvious shitpost ever, or if the AI bots got into Lemmy already.

[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Why wouldn't we? Lemmy has at least 12 real people.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'm a real people, and I'm livid that I shouldn't respond with a paragraph about Mint because this is obvious shitposting.

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[-] Sturgist@piefed.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

Fucking sadistic bastard...........I second this.

[-] Enkrod@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

Let me expose my lack of knowledge and experience in this.

Afaik. NixOS is completely build from configs, thus easy to VCS, and you can try stuff and then just roll back like nothing happened... what's the difference to snapshots and why is it sadistic/masochistic but worth it?

Give me your NixOS pitch.

[-] sasek@szmer.info 8 points 3 weeks ago

Snapshots work in filesystem level. NixOS rollbacks work in system configuration level. NixOS has steep learning curve due to the nix language and fragmented documentation but once you get grip of it, it works great. Either way, you netted the days of suffering to set everything up :)

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 3 weeks ago

If you are interested in maintaining your OS as an ongoing and constant project, go with Arch. You will learn a lot about Linux, and about system administration in general. You will also have entire days where you are unable to do anything productive with your computer because the last update broke userspace again and you can either spend a lot of time troubleshooting your specific problem, or spend a lot of time reinstalling and reconfiguring your system.

If your computer is more than just a hobby platform and you need to use it regularly for any kind of productivity, go with Debian. Set it and forget it.

Either way, off-system file backups are recommended.

[-] esc@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Unless you intentionally doing something wrong or have close to zero experience with linux there might some of the problems you've mentioned, also you can expect similar on debian if you are having them on arch.

Anyway, I would recommend something other to OP because both of these distributions require some non-zero experience with linux. (Also OP itself feels like trolling)

[-] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

Is your hardware ten years old or more?

Do you want a system made up of software that is on average 3 years old?

Do you want absolutely ridiculous stability for the uptime memes?

Are you a fan of the idea that every design decision should be done by a committee of theoretically democratically chosen developers but is actually just whoever wants the job because there is never any real transparency or motion about when the meetings are, much less when elections are?

Does the idea of your operating system being compatible not because its good but because it's just the largest base thanks to corporate investment make you moist?

Then pick Debian.

If you answered no to literally any of those options then go ahead and pick an Arch flavor, or Arch itself.

[-] CarlLandry357@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

You mean Cachy OS? Yeah, I've heard of that, might choose it, I dunno yet.

[-] mikenurre@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Linux '26er here. I tried a few and CachyOS is now my jam. I'm way too new to offer true insight, but as a new convert, Cachy has good video/gaming support and all the core features I need to keep exploring. 100% recommend a day or two to try it out.

[-] determinist@kbin.earth 4 points 3 weeks ago

I run Cachyos (KDE), for 10 months now, on a 13 year old HP workstation. Daily updates. Best distro I've used (previously used Mint, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu), wouldn't go back to any of the others.

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[-] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago

Debian is chosen for Satellites because it is "stable", that is it doesn't do major changes like changing the Kernel.

Arch isn't for beginners, but it's a rolling release distro that's nice and simple but powerful.

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Debian Unstable, if you like to live dangerously and have to reboot every couple of years.

/s

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[-] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

I use both, debian on servers and old machines, arch on my desktop. Arch being rough is way overblown in my experience, the install script makes it straightforward to setup and it's been pretty much painless since I switched to it two years ago, I had experience with debian before that. Both arch and debian have fantastic documentation available.

Debian and derivatives, in my experience, are really well supported so that's a plus. Age of packages has never really bothered me and cases where I want bleeding edge there's options for that.

Both are solid options and I don't think you'll be upset either way, if you can I'd try both.

[-] Leminski@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like there are other options here. Fedora? OpenSUSE?

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Two extremes here. Debian is slow to update while arch is bleeding edge.

I avoid containerized desktop apps (snap, flatpak) so I couldn't run Debian as a daily driver. You'd want to use the latest FireFox and their repo's release is old. You you can get it from flatpak, but I don't want to do that. Running on recent (<1y) hardware will also be problematic. I guess you could keep on adding 3rd party repos to your install, though some post from debian forums always stuck with me: "Debian is only what is released + whats in the official repo. Install anything else and you're not running debian anymore.". Its a whacky OS and I love it, but daily drive it only on my server.

Arch puts everything on their repo straight away. And if its not there, you're downloading code from AUR and building it yourself. I actually appreciate this since it complies with the philosophy that you can't really trust your applications unless you read the source and build it yourself. Awesome, but the general public shouldn't be doing this... I don't mind applications being distributed in binary form. I am able to trust linux community maintained repositories. Arch is for the geeks imo.

I found Fedora to be a good middle ground, since it gets package updates straight away while still maintaining fixed OS releases. No need for snap or flatpaks since their repo has everything and is updated. Its also widely supported by software vendors (just like debian). Id go with it as a recommendation, but still note that its philosophy is free software only and this can potentially mean tinkering with additional stuff from RPM fusion, especially if you dance with nvidia and watch videos encoded with non free codecs.

It takes a bit of time to find the right distro and that is the biggest obstacle to linux imo.

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago

I avoid containerized desktop apps (snap, flatpak) so I couldn’t run Debian as a daily driver.

Wat? this is the dumbest take of the day.

Feel free to chose either one, but avoiding Debian for this reason is just plain wrong.

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[-] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago

I've been a Debian guy for a long time for one reason, stability. I don't game a lot, but haven't had an issue in years, my son uses arch and games way more than I do, but he also has to fix a lot more stuff that updates seem to break.

If you are under 30 I almost want to encourage Arch as you'll be forced to learn a bit more over time and learning is never a bad thing. If you might game some, but value a rock solid system, go Debian.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Fedora is a middle ground between the two.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't care, go with Mint. Fast, secure, simple.

If you have some special thing like an old slow computer, uptime or specific security needs and so on, check out all the other good answers here in the post.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, you can install each in a VM if you want to play with them.

[-] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Slashme@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Depends a bit on what you want to do.

Debian stable tends to have rather old versions of everything, but Debian testing (currently codename Forky) is really nice. I installed it a few months ago on my ThinkPad, and it's running beautifully.

I'm not in it for the uptime, so I shut down whenever I'm done and when I shut down, I do an update / upgrade, and there's always something being upgraded. I've had zero issues with stability or performance.

I have no experience with Arch, so I can't really compare.

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[-] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

In my experience, Debian has been way simpler, more intuitive, more stable, and cleaner. Start there. If you need the absolute latest bleeding edge drivers or software, consider arch, then probably just run it on Debian because the software is still available, just not preinstalled.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

I use Arch btw. Arch is amazing, but you need to be willing to learn a few things. No shame in wanting an easier distro that just works.

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