One month ban for pointing out that consumerism bad. What a shithole of a site over there on the grad.
lol
If you live in China then by all means go ahead and criticize China's relationship to production, though it is probably more productive to do that on platforms that have a majority Chinese userbase rather than lemmygrad and Hexbear
If you live in the Weϟϟt, then shut the fuck up about China's imperfections. Every demonization of a country which the Weϟϟt has set its sights on helps oil the imperialists' guns.
I'd have banned you for longer.
lol I have second hand embarrassment over this post
Responding with "what the fuck even is this comment" isnt helpful, while a 1 month ban is extreme, there are much better ways to frame criticism of China than running tempers high from the get go which will get you nowhere as its indistinguishable from leftcom rhetoric on China which is just as abrasive.
regardless of the substantive merits, i think you put yourself at a rhetorical disadvantage using the dismissive, moralizing register. obviously this is endemic in online lefty spaces, certainly here too; but maybe it's worth reflecting on why you have so much emotional investment in other's appraisal of your appraisal of Shein. it's not worth it.
having none of the other context i.e. the video (which i wouldn't watch anyway) i wouldn't interpret comment 1 as saying "this is good," with no other context it just reads as "you're only hearing so much criticism of this specific company because of imperialist xenophobia" and after two decades of hearing bullshit about how "china is destroying the earth (don't bring up that it's by manufacturing shit we're paying them to make)" i can see why one would be inclined to make that sort of comment
The assertion that leftists are criticizing only Chinese clothing manufacturing companies for being bad for the environment is an utterly absurd one, especially when Amazon got flak for fast fashion years before anyone in America ever heard of Shein or Temu. Shein gets more criticism now partially because it's so cheap that it makes the problem even more accessible and therefore worse.
Go China for making things cheaper and more accessible to the masses, boo consumerism for making cheap shit that goes in the garbage after one use.
The fact that i got a month ban for that is wild
Yes in general China's relationship with production needs a change but it is just getting into the position to make those decisions and people in China are the ones pushing for them to happen. There is a growing trend in China for hand made things and "slow" products, especially among the youth. China has been doing business as usual to catch up and now surpass the west but they need to start taking the lead on doing things better than the west as well. The single use plastic in China is one example you see literally thousands of different ways each day in China, but in general Chinese consumerism is pretty intense especially for cheap plastic shit that is cute and maybe cool design wise but otherwise could use a big shift in the sustainability/green angle, from material choices to packaging. Luckily that transition will happen much faster and more effectively once it becomes a priority for China.
Like yes, I recognize that the imperialists want to zero in both on untrue criticisms and on criticisms of China that also apply to America and American companies.
But that does not mean criticisms that apply to American companies are to be celebrated or even ignored when they apply to Chinese companies, we just have to be balanced in our attention. And me personally, I hate using Amazon, I hate Amazon as a business, I hate how their return policy contributes to consumerism and also waste.
I hate consumerism. Because I'm a fucking Communist. How's that for balance
I hate consumerism. Because I'm a fucking Communist. How's that for balance
Hate to break it to you, but people will still wear clothes and care about fashion in communism
Nothing in the pictured comment suggests they're celebrating it. They're just pointing out the reality that China is doing a thing that the west did but the west only decides to criticize it when China does it. The OP comment in your screenshot is completely correct.
That's not what you were doing, they're right, cry about it
If you read wrongly into my comment that's on you. What I wrote is pretty clear.
screenshotting this for future laughs
Yes, what you wrote is clearly anti-china bullshit and you got banned for it. Take the L and move on.
Tell me, precisely, which words are anti-China.
This is utter nonsense and you should feel ashamed.
It just seems to me thay you interpreted the person you were responding to in the worst possible way and got banned for taking a discussion about cynical imperial greenwashing and making it "no they're both bad". I see how you interpreted it, too, and I'm sympathetic that you just take very seriously the consequences of current modes of production. But the person you responded too likely also takes that seriously and was having a completely different discussion about advanced production methods and how they are demonized cynically
Fair point, but the comment does still feel dismissive of environmental concerns re: Shein and the like. The reason I responded is it feels like an overcorrection. Yes the imperialists are trying to malign China, but to completely cast aside any criticism that imperialists make and then imply that even leftist making that criticism have been duped feels like an overcorrection. Like, on a personal level, I feel the same way about Shein as I do Amazon, but ofc I recognize two facts:
Fair, hostility rescinded
Likewise, comrade
Thank you for saying the things better and more civilly than I could
Looka like you graduated from the grad. You're a gradgrad!
from the deeply unserious to the beanly unserious heh
Xhs link to original video.
http://xhslink.com/o/3pkwUWj46NL
Guy walks around gangzhou(?) fabric district explaining how shein operates. Is interesting content.
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