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[–] 60 points 5 months ago (28 children)

Reminder that inflation isn't a natural thing

It's something intentional to discourage people from having savings accounts and make them feel like they need to invest to "beat inflation".

We could 100% have zero inflation, it just wouldn't benefit the wealthy.

Inflation is just a tax on trying to save money.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Partially true. It's also an attempt to run away from deflation, which destroys economies. Holding a stable position with no inflation or deflation is not really possible in the real world.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Important to distinguish two types of deflation from each other.

    Type one is the deflation that is caused by contraction of the money supply. In the current system if the M2 aggregate shrinks it causes deflation. Slowing economy causes bankruptcies which cause shrinking of M2 which looks as a deflation and forces more slowing down of economy as money gets scarce. Central banks inflate money supply to fight this kind of deflation. If you are not rich already, you will never see any money from these money bags.

    Type two deflation is natural and happens organically with progress. We saw natural deflation for years in electronics, where it beated the inflation targets by central banks. And prices of electronics were going down in the whole sector without disturbance. Savings allows you to eventually buy more efficient products.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Money buying more goods/services than it did 2 years ago is called "progress" and is literally the entire point of human civilization....

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Exactly. Nobody is gonna say “I won’t buy food today because it will be cheaper tomorrow.” A man’s gotta eat.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There is a balance though or else the system feedback breaks the economy. Too much deflation and the "progress" stops because it starts making more and more sense for people to hold off on spending their money as much as they can. As an extreme example, if you know you can buy twice as much of something for the same dollar tomorrow, you must really need that thing right now to justify not waiting for a day. Scale that behavior across the entire population and it can start producing real problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    It would break the economy if people stopped buying shit they didn’t need. I really wish these numbers didn’t correlate to whether or not people had food or housing or healthcare, otherwise that sounds like a wonderful way to slow the erosion of the natural world at the hands of overconsumption

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    no - money is the means by which value is traded.

    A given amount of time and labor producing more and being able to get you more is progress.

    Deflation brings a host of problems - but among them are it encourages hoarding (not saving), and the fact that it makes previous debts more and more costly over time.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    It would be foolish not to invest even if inflation were always 0. Present-day consumption is worth more than future consumption, but hoarding (as opposed to investing) in the absence of inflation trades present-day consumption for future consumption 1 to 1.

    You can make very low-risk investments (effectively no more risky than just holding dollars) and still beat inflation (not by much) to end up with more real purchasing power than you had before. No one is being forced to spend money now or lose its value.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    It is natural. It’s something that is suppose to happen in a healthy economy. When businesses do well, they should increase wages, when wages increases demand for goods and services increases and supply decreases, when supply decreases cost goes up. That is inflation. It is normal when things are going correctly.

    Currently everything is shitty and the Fed is throwing money at the economy to keep us out of a recession. They’ve been doing that since trumps first term and it’s the reason our debt is out of control.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It is natural. It’s something that is suppose to happen in a healthy economy. When businesses do well, they should increase wages, when wages increases demand for goods and services increases and supply decreases, when supply decreases cost goes up. That is inflation. It is normal when things are going correctly.

    ...

    All of what you just said relies on an ever growing economy...

    Something that on a (not even really consider how long humans have been around) long timeline isn't possible.

    It's just not.

    It's like if Newton saw an apple fall from a tree, and immediately looked away before it hit the ground so he said that means gravity always accelerates a dropped item faster and faster and it will never stop even when the ground shows up it will just barrel thru the entire planet and out the other side....

    The reason you think it can go on growing forever, is youre thinking on way too small of a timeline.

    Like, that's the main problem with today's economy...

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Sorry but the beliefs you're expressing are deeply neoliberal (and false).

    First of all, NOTHING is natural about money.

    If people are saving in cash, then more and more money is removed from circulation, which leads to economic downturn (see any example of deflation in history). This is among the reasons why most countries aim for 2% inflation target.

    Also, investment is important actually (shocker). If you don't want to invest in business or anything you can invest in government bonds. That's right, the entity that creates the money in the first place also gives you a tool to save your money and mostly beat inflation.

    "We could have 0% inflation if we wanted" - No we can't? If a raw material becomes scarce and the price goes up, the products have to increase in price too. These prices don't go back down on their own, thats unfortunately not how markets work. That's literally what this whole post is about.

    markets and money are entirely human creations. Nothing about them is natural. Stop worshipping them.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    If you'd have asked questions, you could have learned things...

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Sure.

    1. What is the "natural" state of money?
    2. How could we in theory achieve 0% inflation and what do you estimate would be the side effects?
    3. You say that the wealthy create inflation to encourage people to invest. How does this benefit them?
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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    I don't like being pessimistic, but.....

    The full impact of the oil shock from the Iran war won't hit for a while yet.

    Good job, well done, Trump.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Also, the suspending of the gas tax is a purposefully ticking time bomb to fuck over any Democrat that dares to bring it back because our infrastructure is crumbling.

    "See, Democrats are the ones who raise gas prices!"

    And sadly, it will work.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And the president isn't worried about Americans' financial situation. He said as much just today.

    It's actually ridiculous how Republican leaders are held to COMPLETELY different (aka NO) standards.

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    [–] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What kind of Republican leadership would we have if they weren't buttfucking our economy like every other time they've had control in my lifetime?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, it's crazy.

    The only times we ever have balanced budgets/close to balanced budgets is under democrat leadership, and businesses consistently thrive under them too, with good economic indicators consistently.

    Yet so many people still think republicans are "good on economy" and "good for fiscal responsibility".

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It’s death by a thousand cuts.

    I’m seeing more people take public transit (I always have), more people at WinCo (low price store in pnw), I can’t imagine how turbulent/abundant the seas have been with streaming.

    Our apartment has hook ups for washers and dryers, and I was putting that off/we’ve been content to use the communal washer/dryer space, but uhhh, I’m gonna get on that soon.

    With all the money I’ll be saving with making changes I’ll be… right back to where I was at the start of this administration 😔

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Its wild to me watching the prices that Winco has held steady for years start to creep up, so much credit to that store cause 100 dollars at Winco gets you so many more healthy calories than any other store I know of.

    Best wishes from a fellow west coaster <3

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    The plutocrats' war on the poor. Make America Great Again?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Inflation is always a distribution issue. If all the prices and wages went up at the same rate, the only thing being eroded is stockpiled wealth, and this would make the rich less rich. But that's not how inflation works in a price shock like this.

    The article says prices rose 3.8% and wages 3.6%. If that doesn't sound like much difference it's because it isn't. The real issue is that the prices of gas and food have risen far more than other goods (and will continue to do so, probably). People with lower incomes spend a much bigger fraction of their income on those consumer goods.

    Also, those 3.6% wage growth aren't universal. The very lowest incomes haven't all been lifted by that number.

    One way to combat this is to raise minimum wage and strengthen unions so they can negotiate better wages. Of course, that would increase overall inflation a little more, so the rich don't want that to happen.

    Another way to combat this is to make heavy regulations such that US domestic oil production covers most needs, but the oil companies don't want to miss out on record prices, and people have been taught that the government should never do things, and to let the market regulate instead.

    Welcome to the market.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    the “market” and its invisible hands are not a real phenomenon; they are directed by the owning classes and purpose built to keep that “just one more week and it’ll be ok when i get paid” feeling in millions of americans. it is, literally, all made up.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Have the day you voted for Muricans!!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Trump would take more if he could. And he will.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    If only the actions of Trump affected Americans......

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Is that inflation in the month of April, i.e. inflation for one month rather than an annual rate?

    Yes, I know what the article says. It just doesn't match real-world observations. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I was kind of predicting this. The rise of oil price certainly put a dent to consumer power.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Rose “to” 3.8%? Does the author of this article think the inflation rate is set at some fixed amount like an interest rate?

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