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I never realized how deep racists’ obsession with Black people went until I began voicing support for Palestine of all things. I just kinda assumed the only real targets of Israel and its supporters were Arabs, most Palestinians, and that I could be this untouchable ally or whatever. I was wrong.

These last few weeks have made me even more aware of how much imperialists weaponize anti-Blackness. Even when Black people aren’t directly involved in a conflict, we’re targets. While talking about Israel with some friends online, I basically said that child death is more tragic than soldiers dying while performing their job (i.e. indiscriminate killing, in the IDF’s case). I made this one supposedly apolitical person mad but they pretended not to be as they made edgy jokes about the Arab slave trade and buck breaking. The shit he said was so cruel that I had to break off all contact to preserve my sanity.

Even the people pretending to be leftists are using the genocide in Palestine to be racist to Black people. Lee Fang literally thinks that BLM is like the Israeli government. There’s also currently a post on TrueAnon complaining about how there isn’t a Palestinian Lives Matter, how unfair it is that libs just looooooove Black people so much, blah, blah, blah, wah, wah, wah—all while completely disregarding the many, many ways this country intentionally brutalizes and kills us. It’s fucking tiring, man. I’m so sick of this shit. Like, fine, we get it, you don’t like BLM or Black people—how about LBPFA (leave black people fucking alone) instead?

I never asked to be the permanent focal point of every awful loser’s convoluted political worldview. Literally everything I do triggers psychos. Honestly, sometimes I want to be reincarnated as a rock and just chill without any thoughts.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One racial slur used against Arabs is "sand n-word." Because amerikkkan racists hate black people so much they still have to be anti black while in the middle of their racism against other races.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

4chan type people too. They abuse the word so much that it doesn’t even make sense. They’ll call anything they hate the n-word. It’s so weird. Their hatred of Black peoples is so all-encompassing that it’s a language.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago

It's like how "g**k" (slur for Asians) started in Korea based on how American soldiers heard the Korean language but then it just became a catch-all slur for people from Asia and was famously used in the Vietnam war.

But I've also heard "Jungle N-" for SE Asians because racists are never clever.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From my experience living in the South, any excuse for most white people to go full racist against anyone is met with outright psychopathic glee. And this is coming from a white person. Capitalism and it's tools of oppression and division are destroying our communities and humanity.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The glee is the most disturbing part. People on Reddit were legit cumming their pants when they found out about the Black kids jumping that White kid in Vegas. Yeah, I touch grass. I work with everyday people face to face and can feel the vibe shifts irl when enough losers get hopped up off the latest race thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even being in the middle of the midwest, I sometimes watch people practically pop blood vessels trying not to explode into a racial tirade (am also white)

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago

complaining about how there isn’t a Palestinian Lives Matter, how unfair it is that libs just looooooove Black people so much

What the fuck are they talking about? Black liberation activists have been one of the most, if not the most, committed groups in the US to Palestinian liberation. Concern trolling about the BLM slogan is bad enough, but doing it in relation to Palestine is fucking unhinged

I was surprised when I first read that you've been getting this shit from nominal leftists, but then I remembered how the Atlanta DSA used and disrespected the black organizers they collaborated with. When the Ex-DARC Letter came out, they doubled down on their behavior in their "apology" and purged those of us who called them out

This shit sucks

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

White guy pro tip: any white person who brings up the Arab slave trade or “white people were slaves before black people” is actually waaaaay more racist than (they think) they are letting on. Like, bringing that up is not something white people who aren’t racist do in response to whites enslaving blacks (you may already know this, but it’s something I have seen firsthand).

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I once knew a guy who said the arab slave trade was wrong because slavery by kidnap violates the rules based international order unlike voluntary sales which were ok

That guy I think was an actual nazi and from what he told me I think he has family that were in the SS

he also suggested that we put the Irish in concentration camps (yes he called China authoritarian)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How did they think the Africans who sold them the slaves got the slaves? Its like saying if you bought a slave from an Arab it would be OK.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

How did they think the Africans who sold them the slaves got the slaves

indentured servitude and slavery as a punishment for a crime

they believed you can be born a slave and that's fair and square

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Raiding and kidnappings neighboring tribes/kingdoms has also been the other form of slavery for just as long. Which version do you think can scale to meet the demands of the Atlantic slave trade?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah I agree the nazi who wanted to put the Irish in concentration camps had some bad and inconsistent ideas

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's false equivalency. Things like thralldom and the Arab slave raids are not on the same scale of inhumanity as the Atlantic slave trade. There is a reason that abolitionism became a large political movement in those times and not before.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Also abolitionism can only really come from industrial slavery. Industrial as in quantity, not just manufacturing. I consider a large slave plantation to be "industrial" slavery.

A good example is that there is no Greek analog of Sparticus. Roman slaves were used for large scale industrial projects at the command of the wealthiest elite. Greek slaves were usually the property of small farmers and businesmen.

The practical upshot of this is that if youre a slave in ancient Greece all you have to do for freedom is kill your master and his familly in his sleep and then run to the closest enemy city state. Freeing yourself in ancient Rome required either being a good boy or large scale collective action.

Please tell me about thralldom. I love the history of slavery. Was it industrial, as in, did the existence of thralls threaten the livlihood of peasants who owned no slaves? That was a major problem in the Roman Republic - small farmers being bought out by hyper aristocrats who built mega plantations worked by slaves.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It always manifests in the most disgusting ways too. They love to use black slang to the point it's considered Zoomer slang after spending years calling it "ghetto." Any black man interacting with a non-black woman gets all the weird bbc jokes from porn-addicted white men.

White men will always make edgy jokes about atrocities when you say something that offends them. After a while all you can really do is laugh it off and fuck with their insecurities.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Our culture needs to somehow deal with this weird racial porn shit, it's so bad, it's so corrupting

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

It’s so weird how ubiquitous racist porn about Black people specifically has gotten, especially in the digital age.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Black man and East Asia woman both are in a lot of racist porn.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don’t forget about the hundreds of thousands of POC reaction gifs

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i think the bizarrest extension of that is the widespread enjoyment of hip hop and rap among white supremacists.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The cultural laundering machine loves to reappropriate black culture (and a lot of queer black culture at that) and language and claim it was "American" culture. From rap to cowboys to any food in America that has any flavor - none of it came from the white plague.

Sometimes I think to myself, I wish my white ancestors contributed something positive to the world and built a real culture to pass down... Instead I was taught self loathing and that mayo is an individual condiment and not an ingredient in more elaborate food.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

there is no white culture and there never was. There is an American culture, a Dutch culture etc

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm part Dutch. We don't have a cuisine or music that I know of and I equate food and music as the bedrock of a culture. We've got windmills and irrigation techniques that hold back the ocean... Cool I guess. But then we've got Calvinist protestantism and a lot of awful exploitation around the globe... Expanding capitalism around the globe through the Dutch East India Corp... Making a casino like market based on fucking flowers... Wooden shoes. Yeah, the Dutch are particularly vile throughout history, and there's little bits of it that have embedded into American culture and certainly made it worse, notably modern evangelical christian nationalism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've had traditional Dutch food. It's not good but it is a food tradition

there's nice and interesting aspects of Dutch culture

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

As a whitey, I remember growing up with white guys who insisted they could say the n word without the hard r. The hard r was racist, but with an -a it was okay. I just remember them getting very mad about being told they shouldn't say something.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

It's depressing how little has changed in this regard.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What about the proper application of the n-word to white people? You see, it's a totally legitimate derogatory term, just replace the "N" with a "W"...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

So Xi's not genociding the Uyghurs...he's genociding the Wig--

MRS. BIDEN GET DOWN

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

🤣🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

There was also that time in like the late 90s early 00s where it was really funny for white people to sing the n word, like Will Ferrell on SNL or Ben Folds covering Snoop Dogg. So glad that's mostly over

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

america is and always has been an apartheid police state.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anyone bringing up the Arab slave trade who is not already in an academic conversation about the Arab slave trade is not worth listening to

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Also a conversation about pirates.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

Any USian who explicitly states they are apolitical is a jokerfied reactionary.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

right wing "allies" to palestine who use it to sow racial division are openly and gladly doing the work of empire.

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